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Is the "x ms" info reliable?

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hushthatbush@hushmail.com
Дата:
<span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px;">In the query window's bottom-right corner, after running a query, it
sayshow long it took. It's ambiguous how exactly this is is calculated. It seems to not take into account the lag from
theslow-ass SSH tunnel.<br /><br />Basically, I wanna know how fast the command *actually* is. Not how long it took to
runand then get delivered to pgAdmin via the incredibly sluggish SSH tunnel. The actual, in-app query is run on the
samemachine, and should be much, much faster.<br /><br />Is it possible to get this "real time" rather than the
"pointlesstime"?<br /><br />PS: I hate the command-line psql tool and I don't want anything to do with it.<br /></span> 

Re: Is the "x ms" info reliable?

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Raymond O'Donnell
Дата:
On 17/01/2015 20:13, hushthatbush@hushmail.com wrote:
> In the query window's bottom-right corner, after running a query, it
> says how long it took. It's ambiguous how exactly this is is calculated.
> It seems to not take into account the lag from the slow-ass SSH tunnel.
> 
> Basically, I wanna know how fast the command *actually* is. Not how long
> it took to run and then get delivered to pgAdmin via the incredibly
> sluggish SSH tunnel. The actual, in-app query is run on the same
> machine, and should be much, much faster.
> 
> Is it possible to get this "real time" rather than the "pointless time"?

Do this -
 explain analyze (your query)

- to get the execution time.

Ray.

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Re: Is the "x ms" info reliable?

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Melvin Davidson
Дата:
Have you tried using the "Explain analyze" function (Shift-F7)?
That's what it's for.
 
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Subject: [pgadmin-support] Is the "x ms" info reliable?

In the query window's bottom-right corner, after running a query, it says how long it took. It's ambiguous how exactly this is is calculated. It seems to not take into account the lag from the slow-ass SSH tunnel.

Basically, I wanna know how fast the command *actually* is. Not how long it took to run and then get delivered to pgAdmin via the incredibly sluggish SSH tunnel. The actual, in-app query is run on the same machine, and should be much, much faster.

Is it possible to get this "real time" rather than the "pointless time"?

PS: I hate the command-line psql tool and I don't want anything to do with it.


Re: Is the "x ms" info reliable?

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Dave Page
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On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 8:13 PM,  <hushthatbush@hushmail.com> wrote:
> In the query window's bottom-right corner, after running a query, it says
> how long it took. It's ambiguous how exactly this is is calculated. It seems
> to not take into account the lag from the slow-ass SSH tunnel.
>
> Basically, I wanna know how fast the command *actually* is. Not how long it
> took to run and then get delivered to pgAdmin via the incredibly sluggish
> SSH tunnel. The actual, in-app query is run on the same machine, and should
> be much, much faster.
>
> Is it possible to get this "real time" rather than the "pointless time"?

It's not "pointless time", it's the time taken to execute the query
and for libpq to tell pgAdmin it's done. That is typically what people
want when developing queries that are used in other apps - they need
to see how fast PostgreSQL actually executed it, but not the amount of
time taken to transfer the data to the client which can vary wildly
from client app to client app, especially if running through an SSH
tunnel.

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Re: Is the "x ms" info reliable?

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Richard D Levine
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<p><font face="sans-serif" size="2">When I have pgAdmin, my app, and PG all running on the same machine, pgAdmin
reportedquery times are one or two orders of magnitude slower than times for the same query reported by turning on
statementlogging.<br /></font><br /><br /><img alt="Inactive hide details for Dave Page ---01/19/2015 03:58:07 AM---On
Sat,Jan 17, 2015 at 8:13 PM,  <hushthatbush@hushmail.com> w" border="0" height="16"
src="cid:1__=09BBF741DFC72E168f9e8a93d@mck.us.ray.com"width="16" /><font color="#424282" face="sans-serif"
size="2">DavePage ---01/19/2015 03:58:07 AM---On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 8:13 PM,  <hushthatbush@hushmail.com>
wrote:> In the query window's bottom-</font><br /><br /><font color="#5F5F5F" face="sans-serif" size="1">From:
</font><fontface="sans-serif" size="1">Dave Page <dpage@pgadmin.org></font><br /><font color="#5F5F5F"
face="sans-serif"size="1">To: </font><font face="sans-serif" size="1">hushthatbush@hushmail.com</font><br /><font
color="#5F5F5F"face="sans-serif" size="1">Cc: </font><font face="sans-serif" size="1">"pgadmin-support@postgresql.org"
<pgadmin-support@postgresql.org></font><br/><font color="#5F5F5F" face="sans-serif" size="1">Date: </font><font
face="sans-serif"size="1">01/19/2015 03:58 AM</font><br /><font color="#5F5F5F" face="sans-serif" size="1">Subject:
</font><fontface="sans-serif" size="1">Re: [pgadmin-support] Is the "x ms" info reliable?</font><br /><font
color="#5F5F5F"face="sans-serif" size="1">Sent by: </font><font face="sans-serif"
size="1">pgadmin-support-owner@postgresql.org</font><br/><hr align="left" noshade size="2" style="color:#8091A5; "
width="100%"/><br /><br /><br /><tt><font size="2">On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 8:13 PM,  <hushthatbush@hushmail.com>
wrote:<br/> > In the query window's bottom-right corner, after running a query, it says<br /> > how long it took.
It'sambiguous how exactly this is is calculated. It seems<br /> > to not take into account the lag from the slow-ass
SSHtunnel.<br /> ><br /> > Basically, I wanna know how fast the command *actually* is. Not how long it<br /> >
tookto run and then get delivered to pgAdmin via the incredibly sluggish<br /> > SSH tunnel. The actual, in-app
queryis run on the same machine, and should<br /> > be much, much faster.<br /> ><br /> > Is it possible to
getthis "real time" rather than the "pointless time"?<br /><br /> It's not "pointless time", it's the time taken to
executethe query<br /> and for libpq to tell pgAdmin it's done. That is typically what people<br /> want when
developingqueries that are used in other apps - they need<br /> to see how fast PostgreSQL actually executed it, but
notthe amount of<br /> time taken to transfer the data to the client which can vary wildly<br /> from client app to
clientapp, especially if running through an SSH<br /> tunnel.<br /><br /> -- <br /> Dave Page<br /> Blog:
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Re: Is the "x ms" info reliable?

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Guillaume Lelarge
Дата:
2015-01-19 16:26 GMT+01:00 Richard D Levine <Richard_D_Levine@raytheon.com>:

When I have pgAdmin, my app, and PG all running on the same machine, pgAdmin reported query times are one or two orders of magnitude slower than times for the same query reported by turning on statement logging.


Yeah, I agree with the OP. I'm pretty sure the time the query tool reports includes the display time. I didn't check in the code, but that was always my view of the time. Doesn't mean it is useless, but pretty much like it.


Inactive hide details for Dave Page ---01/19/2015 03:58:07 AM---On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 8:13 PM,  <hushthatbush@hushmail.com> wDave Page ---01/19/2015 03:58:07 AM---On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 8:13 PM,  <hushthatbush@hushmail.com> wrote: > In the query window's bottom-

From: Dave Page <dpage@pgadmin.org>
To: hushthatbush@hushmail.com
Cc: "pgadmin-support@postgresql.org" <pgadmin-support@postgresql.org>
Date: 01/19/2015 03:58 AM
Subject: Re: [pgadmin-support] Is the "x ms" info reliable?
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On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 8:13 PM,  <hushthatbush@hushmail.com> wrote:
> In the query window's bottom-right corner, after running a query, it says
> how long it took. It's ambiguous how exactly this is is calculated. It seems
> to not take into account the lag from the slow-ass SSH tunnel.
>
> Basically, I wanna know how fast the command *actually* is. Not how long it
> took to run and then get delivered to pgAdmin via the incredibly sluggish
> SSH tunnel. The actual, in-app query is run on the same machine, and should
> be much, much faster.
>
> Is it possible to get this "real time" rather than the "pointless time"?

It's not "pointless time", it's the time taken to execute the query
and for libpq to tell pgAdmin it's done. That is typically what people
want when developing queries that are used in other apps - they need
to see how fast PostgreSQL actually executed it, but not the amount of
time taken to transfer the data to the client which can vary wildly
from client app to client app, especially if running through an SSH
tunnel.

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Re: Is the "x ms" info reliable?

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Richard D Levine
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<p><font face="sans-serif" size="2">Is there an echo in here?</font><br /><br /><font face="sans-serif" size="2">To be
fair,Dave's point is that times from a client's perspective will necessarily be longer than those from inside the
server. That doesn't account for an order of magnitude's difference though, especially when the connection is local.  I
toothink that pgAdmin is counting the time to traverse the result set, but that's purely speculation.<br /></font><br
/><br/><img alt="Inactive hide details for Guillaume Lelarge ---01/19/2015 11:36:44 AM---2015-01-19 16:26 GMT+01:00
RichardD Levine <Richard_D_" border="0" height="16" src="cid:1__=09BBF741DFCEDF6A8f9e8a93d@mck.us.ray.com"
width="16"/><font color="#424282" face="sans-serif" size="2">Guillaume Lelarge ---01/19/2015 11:36:44 AM---2015-01-19
16:26GMT+01:00 Richard D Levine <Richard_D_Levine@raytheon.com>: > When I have pgAdmin,</font><br /><br
/><fontcolor="#5F5F5F" face="sans-serif" size="1">From: </font><font face="sans-serif" size="1">Guillaume Lelarge
<guillaume@lelarge.info></font><br/><font color="#5F5F5F" face="sans-serif" size="1">To: </font><font
face="sans-serif"size="1">Richard D Levine <Richard_D_Levine@raytheon.com></font><br /><font color="#5F5F5F"
face="sans-serif"size="1">Cc: </font><font face="sans-serif" size="1">Dave Page <dpage@pgadmin.org>,
hushthatbush@hushmail.com,"pgadmin-support@postgresql.org" <pgadmin-support@postgresql.org>,
pgadmin-support-owner@postgresql.org</font><br/><font color="#5F5F5F" face="sans-serif" size="1">Date: </font><font
face="sans-serif"size="1">01/19/2015 11:36 AM</font><br /><font color="#5F5F5F" face="sans-serif" size="1">Subject:
</font><fontface="sans-serif" size="1">Re: [pgadmin-support] Is the "x ms" info reliable?</font><br /><font
color="#5F5F5F"face="sans-serif" size="1">Sent by: </font><font face="sans-serif"
size="1">pgadmin-support-owner@postgresql.org</font><br/><hr align="left" noshade size="2" style="color:#8091A5; "
width="100%"/><br /><br /><br /><font face="serif" size="3">2015-01-19 16:26 GMT+01:00 Richard D Levine <</font><a
href="mailto:Richard_D_Levine@raytheon.com"target="_blank"><font color="#0000FF" face="serif"
size="3"><u>Richard_D_Levine@raytheon.com</u></font></a><fontface="serif" size="3">>:</font><ul style="padding-left:
9pt"><fontface="sans-serif" size="3">When I have pgAdmin, my app, and PG all running on the same machine, pgAdmin
reportedquery times are one or two orders of magnitude slower than times for the same query reported by turning on
statementlogging.</font><font face="serif" size="3"><br /></font></ul><br /><br /><font face="serif" size="3">Yeah, I
agreewith the OP. I'm pretty sure the time the query tool reports includes the display time. I didn't check in the
code,but that was always my view of the time. Doesn't mean it is useless, but pretty much like it.<br /></font><ul
style="padding-left:9pt"><font face="serif" size="3"><br /></font><img alt="Inactive hide details for Dave Page
---01/19/201503:58:07 AM---On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 8:13 PM,  <hushthatbush@hushmail.com> w" height="16"
src="cid:1__=09BBF741DFCEDF6A8f9e8a93d@mck.us.ray.com"width="16" /><font color="#424282" face="sans-serif"
size="3">DavePage ---01/19/2015 03:58:07 AM---On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 8:13 PM,  <</font><a
href="mailto:hushthatbush@hushmail.com"target="_blank"><font color="#0000FF" face="sans-serif"
size="3"><u>hushthatbush@hushmail.com</u></font></a><fontcolor="#424282" face="sans-serif" size="3">> wrote: > In
thequery window's bottom-</font><font face="serif" size="3"><br /></font><font color="#5F5F5F" face="sans-serif"
size="1"><br/> From: </font><font face="sans-serif" size="1">Dave Page <</font><a href="mailto:dpage@pgadmin.org"
target="_blank"><fontcolor="#0000FF" face="sans-serif" size="1"><u>dpage@pgadmin.org</u></font></a><font
face="sans-serif"size="1">></font><font color="#5F5F5F" face="sans-serif" size="1"><br /> To: </font><a
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size="1"><u>hushthatbush@hushmail.com</u></font></a><fontcolor="#5F5F5F" face="sans-serif" size="1"><br /> Cc:
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size="1">></font><fontcolor="#5F5F5F" face="sans-serif" size="1"><br /> Date: </font><font face="sans-serif"
size="1">01/19/201503:58 AM</font><font color="#5F5F5F" face="sans-serif" size="1"><br /> Subject: </font><font
face="sans-serif"size="1">Re: [pgadmin-support] Is the "x ms" info reliable?</font><font color="#5F5F5F"
face="sans-serif"size="1"><br /> Sent by: </font><a href="mailto:pgadmin-support-owner@postgresql.org"
target="_blank"><fontcolor="#0000FF" face="sans-serif"
size="1"><u>pgadmin-support-owner@postgresql.org</u></font></a><br/><hr align="left" noshade size="2" width="100%"
/><br/><font face="serif" size="3"><br /><br /></font><tt><font size="3"><br /> On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 8:13 PM,
 <</font></tt><ahref="mailto:hushthatbush@hushmail.com" target="_blank"><tt><font color="#0000FF"
size="3"><u>hushthatbush@hushmail.com</u></font></tt></a><tt><fontsize="3">> wrote:<br /> > In the query window's
bottom-rightcorner, after running a query, it says<br /> > how long it took. It's ambiguous how exactly this is is
calculated.It seems<br /> > to not take into account the lag from the slow-ass SSH tunnel.<br /> ><br /> >
Basically,I wanna know how fast the command *actually* is. Not how long it<br /> > took to run and then get
deliveredto pgAdmin via the incredibly sluggish<br /> > SSH tunnel. The actual, in-app query is run on the same
machine,and should<br /> > be much, much faster.<br /> ><br /> > Is it possible to get this "real time" rather
thanthe "pointless time"?<br /><br /> It's not "pointless time", it's the time taken to execute the query<br /> and for
libpqto tell pgAdmin it's done. That is typically what people<br /> want when developing queries that are used in other
apps- they need<br /> to see how fast PostgreSQL actually executed it, but not the amount of<br /> time taken to
transferthe data to the client which can vary wildly<br /> from client app to client app, especially if running through
anSSH<br /> tunnel.<br /><br /> -- <br /> Dave Page<br /> Blog: </font></tt><a href="http://pgsnake.blogspot.com/"
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Re: Is the "x ms" info reliable?

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Dave Page
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On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 5:04 PM, Richard D Levine <Richard_D_Levine@raytheon.com> wrote:

Is there an echo in here?

To be fair, Dave's point is that times from a client's perspective will necessarily be longer than those from inside the server.  That doesn't account for an order of magnitude's difference though, especially when the connection is local.  I too think that pgAdmin is counting the time to traverse the result set, but that's purely speculation.

It doesn't traverse the resultset - it demand-renders the grid control, requesting the data from libpq only when it needs it.

 



Inactive hide details for Guillaume Lelarge ---01/19/2015 11:36:44 AM---2015-01-19 16:26 GMT+01:00 Richard D Levine <Richard_D_Guillaume Lelarge ---01/19/2015 11:36:44 AM---2015-01-19 16:26 GMT+01:00 Richard D Levine <Richard_D_Levine@raytheon.com>: > When I have pgAdmin,

From: Guillaume Lelarge <guillaume@lelarge.info>
To: Richard D Levine <Richard_D_Levine@raytheon.com>
Cc: Dave Page <dpage@pgadmin.org>, hushthatbush@hushmail.com, "pgadmin-support@postgresql.org" <pgadmin-support@postgresql.org>, pgadmin-support-owner@postgresql.org
Date: 01/19/2015 11:36 AM


Subject: Re: [pgadmin-support] Is the "x ms" info reliable?
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2015-01-19 16:26 GMT+01:00 Richard D Levine <Richard_D_Levine@raytheon.com>:
    When I have pgAdmin, my app, and PG all running on the same machine, pgAdmin reported query times are one or two orders of magnitude slower than times for the same query reported by turning on statement logging.


Yeah, I agree with the OP. I'm pretty sure the time the query tool reports includes the display time. I didn't check in the code, but that was always my view of the time. Doesn't mean it is useless, but pretty much like it.

    Inactive hide details for Dave Page ---01/19/2015 03:58:07 AM---On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 8:13 PM,  <hushthatbush@hushmail.com> wDave Page ---01/19/2015 03:58:07 AM---On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 8:13 PM,  <hushthatbush@hushmail.com> wrote: > In the query window's bottom-

    From:
    Dave Page <dpage@pgadmin.org>
    To:
    hushthatbush@hushmail.com
    Cc:
    "pgadmin-support@postgresql.org" <pgadmin-support@postgresql.org>
    Date:
    01/19/2015 03:58 AM
    Subject:
    Re: [pgadmin-support] Is the "x ms" info reliable?
    Sent by:
    pgadmin-support-owner@postgresql.org





    On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 8:13 PM,  <
    hushthatbush@hushmail.com> wrote:
    > In the query window's bottom-right corner, after running a query, it says
    > how long it took. It's ambiguous how exactly this is is calculated. It seems
    > to not take into account the lag from the slow-ass SSH tunnel.
    >
    > Basically, I wanna know how fast the command *actually* is. Not how long it
    > took to run and then get delivered to pgAdmin via the incredibly sluggish
    > SSH tunnel. The actual, in-app query is run on the same machine, and should
    > be much, much faster.
    >
    > Is it possible to get this "real time" rather than the "pointless time"?

    It's not "pointless time", it's the time taken to execute the query
    and for libpq to tell pgAdmin it's done. That is typically what people
    want when developing queries that are used in other apps - they need
    to see how fast PostgreSQL actually executed it, but not the amount of
    time taken to transfer the data to the client which can vary wildly
    from client app to client app, especially if running through an SSH
    tunnel.

    --
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    Blog:
    http://pgsnake.blogspot.com
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