Обсуждение: User Wiki
So I was thinking some more about the lack of real use that techdocs is getting coupled with the lack of any kind of spam etc. that we've picked up on it. I think we should reconsider having an official PostgreSQL wiki for users, probably at wiki.postgresql.org. Thoughts? -- Dave Page EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Oracle-compatible database company
On Sun, 2008-02-24 at 01:49 +0100, Dave Page wrote: > So I was thinking some more about the lack of real use that techdocs > is getting coupled with the lack of any kind of spam etc. that we've > picked up on it. I think we should reconsider having an official > PostgreSQL wiki for users, probably at wiki.postgresql.org. > > Thoughts? I guess I'll have to concede. It's quite clear that the techdocs we have now doesn't work the way we intended. I'm not entirely convinced that a wiki will work much better, but since others are, let's give it a shot. AFAIK, Stefan has some experience with the options there - what wiki software should we be using? Do we still have one VM empty on the boxes in France we could use? //Magnus
On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 10:24 AM, Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net> wrote: > On Sun, 2008-02-24 at 01:49 +0100, Dave Page wrote: > > So I was thinking some more about the lack of real use that techdocs > > is getting coupled with the lack of any kind of spam etc. that we've > > picked up on it. I think we should reconsider having an official > > PostgreSQL wiki for users, probably at wiki.postgresql.org. > > > > Thoughts? > > I guess I'll have to concede. It's quite clear that the techdocs we have > now doesn't work the way we intended. I'm not entirely convinced that a > wiki will work much better, but since others are, let's give it a shot. Hey, that was easier than I expected. > AFAIK, Stefan has some experience with the options there - what wiki > software should we be using? Do we still have one VM empty on the boxes > in France we could use? I just spoke to Stefan - we do have a spare clean VM pretty much ready to go, originally provisioned some time ago to become a new developer VM for the webteam, but I never got round to moving everything from developer.pgadmin.org. We can put that to use. The other thing we need to consider is tying this into the existing community logon system. I believe mediawiki now supports OpenID, so we should just see about hooking a provider into the existing database. /D -- Dave Page EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Oracle-compatible database company
On Sun, 2008-02-24 at 10:54 +0100, Dave Page wrote: > On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 10:24 AM, Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net> wrote: > > On Sun, 2008-02-24 at 01:49 +0100, Dave Page wrote: > > > So I was thinking some more about the lack of real use that techdocs > > > is getting coupled with the lack of any kind of spam etc. that we've > > > picked up on it. I think we should reconsider having an official > > > PostgreSQL wiki for users, probably at wiki.postgresql.org. > > > > > > Thoughts? > > > > I guess I'll have to concede. It's quite clear that the techdocs we have > > now doesn't work the way we intended. I'm not entirely convinced that a > > wiki will work much better, but since others are, let's give it a shot. > > Hey, that was easier than I expected. Well, you're in the same city as me right now, so you might just beat me up if I'm not careful. BTW, let's discuss this over beer later tonight ;-) I assume you're buying? > > AFAIK, Stefan has some experience with the options there - what wiki > > software should we be using? Do we still have one VM empty on the boxes > > in France we could use? > > I just spoke to Stefan - we do have a spare clean VM pretty much ready > to go, originally provisioned some time ago to become a new developer > VM for the webteam, but I never got round to moving everything from > developer.pgadmin.org. We can put that to use. Sounds like a good idea. We do have a working developer.pgadmin.org right now, so finishing that migration isn't critical. Though we'll certainly want to do that eventually, but there's no rush. > The other thing we need to consider is tying this into the existing > community logon system. I believe mediawiki now supports OpenID, so we > should just see about hooking a provider into the existing database. Yeah, I've been chatting with Stefan a couple of weeks back about using OpenID to fix the login issues with his prototype bugzilla install. Let's bite the bullet and look at implementing that. We could use it for the developer wiki as well, as well as other potential future services. I've looked a bit at OpenID for a different project at work, and it seems it should be fairly easy for us to implement. There are good libraries to build off - we'll certainly need to change it a bit to work for us, but it's doable. But I fully agree - tying into the existing login system is a requirement, not just a "nice to have". //Magnus
Dave Page wrote: > On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 10:24 AM, Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net> wrote: >> On Sun, 2008-02-24 at 01:49 +0100, Dave Page wrote: >> > So I was thinking some more about the lack of real use that techdocs >> > is getting coupled with the lack of any kind of spam etc. that we've >> > picked up on it. I think we should reconsider having an official >> > PostgreSQL wiki for users, probably at wiki.postgresql.org. >> > >> > Thoughts? >> >> I guess I'll have to concede. It's quite clear that the techdocs we have >> now doesn't work the way we intended. I'm not entirely convinced that a >> wiki will work much better, but since others are, let's give it a shot. > > Hey, that was easier than I expected. You know, a group of people gave up on -www ever conceding this and created its own wiki? We were keeping it quiet because we didn't have all the template work etc.. done. It is over at www.postgresqldocs.org. And before people point at me... It was Greg Smith's idea. I just helped so shoot him first, it gives me 3 steps to get away. Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake
Joshua D. Drake wrote: > You know, a group of people gave up on -www ever conceding this and > created its own wiki? We were keeping it quiet because we didn't have > all the template work etc.. done. It is over at www.postgresqldocs.org. Regardless of the above, my question would be: What is the purpose of wiki.postgresql.org? We already have a wiki at developer.postgresql.org. Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake
On Sun, 2008-02-24 at 08:04 -0800, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > Dave Page wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 10:24 AM, Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net> wrote: > >> On Sun, 2008-02-24 at 01:49 +0100, Dave Page wrote: > >> > So I was thinking some more about the lack of real use that techdocs > >> > is getting coupled with the lack of any kind of spam etc. that we've > >> > picked up on it. I think we should reconsider having an official > >> > PostgreSQL wiki for users, probably at wiki.postgresql.org. > >> > > >> > Thoughts? > >> > >> I guess I'll have to concede. It's quite clear that the techdocs we have > >> now doesn't work the way we intended. I'm not entirely convinced that a > >> wiki will work much better, but since others are, let's give it a shot. > > > > Hey, that was easier than I expected. > > You know, a group of people gave up on -www ever conceding this and > created its own wiki? We were keeping it quiet because we didn't have > all the template work etc.. done. It is over at www.postgresqldocs.org. > > And before people point at me... It was Greg Smith's idea. I just helped > so shoot him first, it gives me 3 steps to get away. I'll just not shoot anybody, but refer back to most of the arguments about domains, and user account, and management, that has been made about a billion times previously. I have nothing new to add above that (apart from what I already added, which is that techdocs doesn't work as well as we (or at least I) thought, and therefor making another approach would be a good idea. It just comes naturally that doing said approach along established policies is something I would advocate, but that's just me) //Magnus //Magnus
On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 4:24 PM, Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com> wrote: > Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > > You know, a group of people gave up on -www ever conceding this and > > created its own wiki? We were keeping it quiet because we didn't have > > all the template work etc.. done. It is over at www.postgresqldocs.org. > > Regardless of the above, my question would be: > > What is the purpose of wiki.postgresql.org? We already have a wiki at > developer.postgresql.org. You are well aware that that is a developer resource, specifically not intended as a user site. You are also correct that for a long time we didn't want a user wiki, as we (particularly Magnus) had worked hard on techdocs and had other concerns about how a wiki would work. However, we are not so arrogant as to refuse to consider the possibility that we've got things wrong, and given the recent discussion on -general (or was it -docs) as well as a discussion I had with Greg Smith a while back and some comments I heard at FOSDEM, I decided to propose that we revisit that decision. On the other hand you decided that instead of proposing the same thing here and arguing a case (which frankly wouldn't have taken much effort as I for one am already hacked off with techdocs) you'd just go and develop your own site - something you're more than welcome to do that if you like, and in which I wish you luck. Be aware though that we will be addressing this issue within the projects normal web/sysadmin groups as well, and provisioning and integrating whatever solution is selected within the existing online infrastructure. -- Dave Page EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Oracle-compatible database company