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High CPU consumption in cascade replication with large number of walsenders

От
Alexey Makhmutov
Дата:
Hello hackers,

This is a continuation of the thread
https://www.postgresql.org/message-id/flat/076eb7bd-52e6-4a51-ba00-c744d027b15c%40postgrespro.ru,
with focus only on the patch related to improving performance in case of
large number of cascaded walsenders.

We’ve faced an interesting situation on a standby environment with
configured cascade replication and large number (~100) of configured
walsenders. We’ve noticed a very high CPU consumption on such
environment with the most time-consuming operation being signal delivery
from startup recovery process to walsenders via WalSndWakeup invocations
from ApplyWalRecord in xlogrecovery.c.

The startup standby process notifies walsenders for downstream systems
using ConditionVariableBroadcast (CV), so only processes waiting on this
CV need to be contacted. However in case of high load we seems to be
hitting here a bottleneck anyway. The current implementation tries to
send notification after processing of each WAL record (i.e. during each
invocation of ApplyWalRecord), so this implies high rate of WalSndWakeup
invocations. At the same time, this also provides each walsender with
very small chunk of data to process, so almost every process will be
present in the CV wait list for the next iteration. As result, waiting
list should be always fully packed in such case, which additionally
reduces performance of WAL records processing by the standby instance.

To reproduce such behavior we could use a simple environment with three
servers: primary instance, attached physical standby and its downstream
server with large number of logical replication subscriptions. Attached
is the synthetic test case (test_scenario.zip) to reproduce this
behavior: script ‘test_prepare.sh’ could be used to create required
environment with test data and ‘test_execute.sh’ script executes
‘pgbench’ tool with simple updates against primary instance to trigger
replication to other servers. With just about 6 clients I could observe
high CPU consumption by the 'startup recovering process' (and it may be
sufficient to completely saturate the CPU on a smaller machine). Please
check the environment properties at the top of these scripts before
running them, as they need to be updated in order to specify location
for installed PG build, target location for database instances creation
and used ports.

After thinking about possible ways to improve such case, we've decided
to implement batching for notification delivery. We try to slightly
postpone sending notification until recovery has applied some number of
messages.This reduces rate of CV notifications and also gives receivers
more data to process, so they may not need to enter the CV wait state so
often. Counting applied records is not difficult, but the tricky part
here is to ensure that we do not postpone notifications for too long in
case of low load. To reduce such delay we use a timer handler, which
sets a timeout flag, which is checked in ProcessStartupProcInterrupts.
This allow us to send signal on timeout if the startup process is
waiting for the arrival of new WAL records (in ReadRecord). The
WalSndWakeup will be invoked either after applying certain number of
messages or after expiration of timeout since last notification. The
notification however may be delayed while record is being applied
(during redo handler invocation from ApplyWalRecord). This could
increase delay for some corner cases with non-trivial WAL records like
‘drop database’, but this should be a rare case and walsender process
have its own limit on the wait time, so the delay won’t be indefinite
even in this case.

The patch introduces two GUCs to control the batching behavior. The
first one controls size of batched messages
('cascade_replication_batch_size') and is set to 0 by default, so the
functionality is effectively disabled. The second one controls timed
delay during batching ('cascade_replication_batch_delay'), which is by
default set to 500ms. The delay is used only if batching is enabled.

With this patch applied we’ve noticed a significant reduction in CPU
consumption while using the synthetic test program mentioned above. It
would be great to hear any thoughts on these observations and fixing
approaches, as well as possible pitfalls of proposed changes.

Thanks,
Alexey
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Re: High CPU consumption in cascade replication with large number of walsenders

От
Alexander Korotkov
Дата:
Hi, Alexey!

Thank you for spotting this problem, and thank you for working on it.

On Sun, Aug 31, 2025 at 2:47 AM Alexey Makhmutov <a.makhmutov@postgrespro.ru> wrote:
> This is a continuation of the thread
> https://www.postgresql.org/message-id/flat/076eb7bd-52e6-4a51-ba00-c744d027b15c%40postgrespro.ru,
> with focus only on the patch related to improving performance in case of
> large number of cascaded walsenders.
>
> We’ve faced an interesting situation on a standby environment with
> configured cascade replication and large number (~100) of configured
> walsenders. We’ve noticed a very high CPU consumption on such
> environment with the most time-consuming operation being signal delivery
> from startup recovery process to walsenders via WalSndWakeup invocations
> from ApplyWalRecord in xlogrecovery.c.
>
> The startup standby process notifies walsenders for downstream systems
> using ConditionVariableBroadcast (CV), so only processes waiting on this
> CV need to be contacted. However in case of high load we seems to be
> hitting here a bottleneck anyway. The current implementation tries to
> send notification after processing of each WAL record (i.e. during each
> invocation of ApplyWalRecord), so this implies high rate of WalSndWakeup
> invocations. At the same time, this also provides each walsender with
> very small chunk of data to process, so almost every process will be
> present in the CV wait list for the next iteration. As result, waiting
> list should be always fully packed in such case, which additionally
> reduces performance of WAL records processing by the standby instance.
>
> To reproduce such behavior we could use a simple environment with three
> servers: primary instance, attached physical standby and its downstream
> server with large number of logical replication subscriptions. Attached
> is the synthetic test case (test_scenario.zip) to reproduce this
> behavior: script ‘test_prepare.sh’ could be used to create required
> environment with test data and ‘test_execute.sh’ script executes
> ‘pgbench’ tool with simple updates against primary instance to trigger
> replication to other servers. With just about 6 clients I could observe
> high CPU consumption by the 'startup recovering process' (and it may be
> sufficient to completely saturate the CPU on a smaller machine). Please
> check the environment properties at the top of these scripts before
> running them, as they need to be updated in order to specify location
> for installed PG build, target location for database instances creation
> and used ports.
>
> After thinking about possible ways to improve such case, we've decided
> to implement batching for notification delivery. We try to slightly
> postpone sending notification until recovery has applied some number of
> messages.This reduces rate of CV notifications and also gives receivers
> more data to process, so they may not need to enter the CV wait state so
> often. Counting applied records is not difficult, but the tricky part
> here is to ensure that we do not postpone notifications for too long in
> case of low load. To reduce such delay we use a timer handler, which
> sets a timeout flag, which is checked in ProcessStartupProcInterrupts.
> This allow us to send signal on timeout if the startup process is
> waiting for the arrival of new WAL records (in ReadRecord). The
> WalSndWakeup will be invoked either after applying certain number of
> messages or after expiration of timeout since last notification. The
> notification however may be delayed while record is being applied
> (during redo handler invocation from ApplyWalRecord). This could
> increase delay for some corner cases with non-trivial WAL records like
> ‘drop database’, but this should be a rare case and walsender process
> have its own limit on the wait time, so the delay won’t be indefinite
> even in this case.

This approach makes sense to me.  Do you think it might have corner cases?  I suggest the test scenario might include some delay between "UPDATE" queries.  Then we can see how changing of this delay interacts with cascade_replication_batch_delay.

            /*
             * If time line has switched, then we do not want to delay the
             * notification, otherwise we will wait until we apply specified
             * number of records before notifying downstream logical
             * walsenders.
             */

This comment tells about logical walsenders, but they same will be applied to physical walsenders, right?

> The patch introduces two GUCs to control the batching behavior. The
> first one controls size of batched messages
> ('cascade_replication_batch_size') and is set to 0 by default, so the
> functionality is effectively disabled. The second one controls timed
> delay during batching ('cascade_replication_batch_delay'), which is by
> default set to 500ms. The delay is used only if batching is enabled.

I see these two GUCs are both PGC_POSTMASTER.  Could they be PGC_SIGHUP?  Also I think there is a typo in the the description of cascade_replication_batch_size, it must say "0 disables".

I also think these GUCs should be in the sample file, possibly disabled by default because it only make sense to set up them with high number of cascaded walsenders.

> With this patch applied we’ve noticed a significant reduction in CPU
> consumption while using the synthetic test program mentioned above. It
> would be great to hear any thoughts on these observations and fixing
> approaches, as well as possible pitfalls of proposed changes.

Great!

------
Regards,
Alexander Korotkov
Supabase

Re: High CPU consumption in cascade replication with large number of walsenders

От
Alexey Makhmutov
Дата:
Hi, Alexander!

Thank you very much for looking at the patch and providing valuable 
feedback!

 > This approach makes sense to me.  Do you think it might have corner 
cases?  I suggest the test scenario might include some delay between 
"UPDATE" queries.  Then we can see how changing of this delay interacts 
with cascade_replication_batch_delay.

The effect of 'cascade_replication_batch_delay' setting could be more 
easily observed by manually changing a single row in the primary 
database ('A' instance in the test) and then observing the delay before 
such change became visible on the 'C' instance. Something like following:
On C instance:
  select c0 where test_repli_test_t1 where id=0 \watch 1
On A instance, first set the initial value:
  update test_repli_test_t1 set c0=0 where id=0;
... and then update the row and wait for it to became visible on C instance:
  update test_repli_test_t1 set c0=c0+1 where id=0;

In my tests with enabled batching and without enabling delay limit (i.e. 
by setting the 'cascade_replication_batch_delay' to 0), the change 
became visible in about 5-6 seconds (as walsender on B instance seems to 
wake up by itself anyway). With 'cascade_replication_batch_delay' set to 
500 (ms) the value became visible almost immediately.

 > This comment tells about logical walsenders, but they same will be 
applied to physical walsenders, right?

Yes, this item probably needs some clarification. In this code path we 
are dealing with logical walsenders, as physical walsenders are notified 
in XLogWalRcvFlush. However, when TLI changes, this code will notify 
both physical and logical walsenders. So, I've changed the comment now 
to describe this behavior more clearly.

Another question is whether we really need to notify physical walsenders 
at this point. This was the logic of the original code, so I kept it 
when adding batching support. However, it seems that physical sender 
should not be very interested in knowing that logical decoding has 
discovered change in timeline ID, as it should be either already 
notified by walreceiver or discover it by itself in the stored WAL data 
if recovery was invoked at startup. So, maybe the better approach here 
is just to keep notifications for logical walsenders only.

 > I see these two GUCs are both PGC_POSTMASTER.  Could they be PGC_SIGHUP?

This is a good suggestion. I've tried to implement support for 
PGC_SIGHUP context in the new patch version. Now the current batch 
should be flushed immediately as parameters are changed and then new 
values will be used for processing once next WAL record is applied. This 
also makes testing a little simpler: if we start test script for longer 
interval (i.e. 300 seconds instead of 60), then it's possible to see how 
CPU load is changed on the fly as batching is enabled or disabled.

 > Also I think there is a typo in the the description of 
cascade_replication_batch_size, it must say "0 disables".

Sure, thanks for catching this!

 > I also think these GUCs should be in the sample file, possibly 
disabled by default because it only make sense to set up them with high 
number of cascaded walsenders.

Yes, it was my intention for having 'cascade_replication_batch_size' 
disabled by default as it was described in the mail message, but I 
forget to actually set it to '0' in the previous patch version. Thank 
you for noticing this! The 'cascade_replication_batch_delay' is working 
only if batching is enabled (i.e. batch size is set to value greater 
than 1), so a value of 500 (ms) seems to be a reasonable default settings.
I've also added both values to the sample configuration in the new patch 
version, as suggested.

The new patch version with changes described above and rebased on top of 
current master is attached.

Thank you again for looking on this proposal!

Thanks,
Alexey
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Re: High CPU consumption in cascade replication with large number of walsenders

От
Alexander Korotkov
Дата:
Hi, Alexey!

Thank you for your comment and patch revision.  I have some further question to you.

On Tue, Sep 16, 2025 at 6:20 PM Alexey Makhmutov <a.makhmutov@postgrespro.ru> wrote:
> Thank you very much for looking at the patch and providing valuable
> feedback!
>
>  > This approach makes sense to me.  Do you think it might have corner
> cases?  I suggest the test scenario might include some delay between
> "UPDATE" queries.  Then we can see how changing of this delay interacts
> with cascade_replication_batch_delay.
>
> The effect of 'cascade_replication_batch_delay' setting could be more
> easily observed by manually changing a single row in the primary
> database ('A' instance in the test) and then observing the delay before
> such change became visible on the 'C' instance. Something like following:
> On C instance:
>   select c0 where test_repli_test_t1 where id=0 \watch 1
> On A instance, first set the initial value:
>   update test_repli_test_t1 set c0=0 where id=0;
> ... and then update the row and wait for it to became visible on C instance:
>   update test_repli_test_t1 set c0=c0+1 where id=0;
>
> In my tests with enabled batching and without enabling delay limit (i.e.
> by setting the 'cascade_replication_batch_delay' to 0), the change
> became visible in about 5-6 seconds (as walsender on B instance seems to
> wake up by itself anyway). With 'cascade_replication_batch_delay' set to
> 500 (ms) the value became visible almost immediately.
>
>  > This comment tells about logical walsenders, but they same will be
> applied to physical walsenders, right?
>
> Yes, this item probably needs some clarification. In this code path we
> are dealing with logical walsenders, as physical walsenders are notified
> in XLogWalRcvFlush. However, when TLI changes, this code will notify
> both physical and logical walsenders. So, I've changed the comment now
> to describe this behavior more clearly.
>
> Another question is whether we really need to notify physical walsenders
> at this point. This was the logic of the original code, so I kept it
> when adding batching support. However, it seems that physical sender
> should not be very interested in knowing that logical decoding has
> discovered change in timeline ID, as it should be either already
> notified by walreceiver or discover it by itself in the stored WAL data
> if recovery was invoked at startup. So, maybe the better approach here
> is just to keep notifications for logical walsenders only.

Could you, please, also comment change from check for AllowCascadeReplication() to StandbyWithCascadeReplication()?  Do you think this is beneficial and saves us from sending the notifications when they are useless?

Also, could you comment this condition.

if (cascadeReplicationMaxBatchSize <= 1 && appliedRecords == 0)

Does this mean that if batching was disabled in config then enforced by SIGHUP, we will still wait for the current batch to be completed?  Would it be better to stop batching immediately?

Also, this patch lacks documentation.  I would especially like to see combinations of GUCs described (cascade_replication_batch_size is enabled, but cascade_replication_batch_delay disabled, and vise versa).

------
Regards,
Alexander Korotkov
Supabase

Re: High CPU consumption in cascade replication with large number of walsenders

От
Alexey Makhmutov
Дата:
Hi, Alexander!

Thank you again for the attention to this patch!

 > Could you, please, also comment change from check for 
AllowCascadeReplication() to StandbyWithCascadeReplication()?  Do you 
think this is beneficial and saves us from sending the notifications 
when they are useless?

The original intention of this check was to avoid enabling all the 
timer-based machinery for cases, when we definitely don't need to send 
notifications. So, we try to avoid potential impact of the patch on such 
cases even if new options are enabled. For example, this may happen if 
we restore server from backup and apply WAL archive on it (as 
PerformWalRecovery will be invoked in this case as well). Both 
'hot_standby' and 'wal_senders' parameters are enabled by default, so 
even primary server may pass the the 'AllowCascadeReplication' condition 
in such case. So, we want to be sure that we the 'StandbyMode' is 
actually set and we are part of Startup process.

However, the change may be also reasonable by itself, to avoid calling 
WalSndWakeup at all in such cases (thus avoiding acquiring/releasing CV 
mutex), although I do not think that it will provide measurable 
improvements.

 > Also, could you comment this condition.
 > if (cascadeReplicationMaxBatchSize <= 1 && appliedRecords == 0)
 > Does this mean that if batching was disabled in config then enforced 
by SIGHUP, we will still wait for the current batch to be completed? 
Would it be better to stop batching immediately?

Sure, if either of 'cascade_replication_batch_size' or 
'cascade_replication_batch_delay' is changed, then we need to flush 
current batch (send notification) and then decide whether we need to 
perform batching for next records. This is why we set 
'replicationNotificationPending' flag in 
'assign_cascade_replication_batch_values' (and disable timer if it is 
set), so it could be processed in final part 
'ProcessStartupProcInterrupts'. So, technically we should not find 
ourselves in the situation when we have 'cascadeReplicationMaxBatchSize' 
set to 1 and appliedRecords set to non-zero value. This check for 
'appliedRecords' value seems to be a remnant of an my intermediate patch 
version, where these values were already runtime modifiable, but not yet 
processed 'assign_cascade_replication_batch_values'. I think it could be 
safely removed to avoid confusion. Thank you for noticing this!

 > Also, this patch lacks documentation.  I would especially like to see 
combinations of GUCs described (cascade_replication_batch_size is 
enabled, but cascade_replication_batch_delay disabled, and vise versa).

I've added the documentation for these two parameters in the new version 
of the patch (config.sgml). The new patch version also contains the 
change for minimal parameter value for 'cascade_replication_batch_size' 
- now minimal value is 1 to indicate disabled batching. In previous 
version both '0' and '1' values were valid options to disable batching, 
but this was looking ambiguous in the documentation. So, I've decided to 
leave only '1' as valid value to make it simpler to describe. I've also 
rebased the patch on top of current master to fix failures during the 
build checks.

Thanks,
Alexey
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