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[MASSMAIL]postgres_fdw fails because GMT != UTC

От
Tom Lane
Дата:
Over at [1] we have a complaint of postgres_fdw failing with
a remote-server error

> ERROR:  invalid value for parameter "TimeZone": "UTC"

I am not quite clear on how broken an installation needs to be to
reject "UTC" as a time zone setting, except that the breakage cannot
be subtle.  However, I notice that our code in pgtz.c and other
places treats "GMT" as a hard-wired special case ... but not "UTC".
I wonder if we ought to modify those places to force "UTC" down the
same hard-wired paths.  If we acted like that, this would have worked
no matter how misconfigured the installation was.

An alternative answer could be to change postgres_fdw to send "GMT"
not "UTC".  That's ugly from a standards-compliance viewpoint, but
it would fix this problem even with a non-updated remote server,
and I think postgres_fdw is generally intended to work with even
very old remote servers.

Or we could do both.

Thoughts?

            regards, tom lane

[1] https://www.postgresql.org/message-id/flat/5DF49366-10D1-42A4-99BF-F9A7DC3AB0F4%40mailbox.org



Re: postgres_fdw fails because GMT != UTC

От
Laurenz Albe
Дата:
On Thu, 2024-04-04 at 02:19 -0400, Tom Lane wrote:
> > ERROR:  invalid value for parameter "TimeZone": "UTC"
>
> I am not quite clear on how broken an installation needs to be to
> reject "UTC" as a time zone setting, except that the breakage cannot
> be subtle.  However, I notice that our code in pgtz.c and other
> places treats "GMT" as a hard-wired special case ... but not "UTC".
> I wonder if we ought to modify those places to force "UTC" down the
> same hard-wired paths.  If we acted like that, this would have worked
> no matter how misconfigured the installation was.
>
> An alternative answer could be to change postgres_fdw to send "GMT"
> not "UTC".  That's ugly from a standards-compliance viewpoint, but
> it would fix this problem even with a non-updated remote server,
> and I think postgres_fdw is generally intended to work with even
> very old remote servers.
>
> Or we could do both.

I think the first is desirable for reasons of general sanity, and the
second for best compatibility with old versions.

So I vote for "both".

Yours,
Laurenz Albe



Re: postgres_fdw fails because GMT != UTC

От
Daniel Gustafsson
Дата:
> On 4 Apr 2024, at 08:19, Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us> wrote:
>
> Over at [1] we have a complaint of postgres_fdw failing with
> a remote-server error
>
>> ERROR:  invalid value for parameter "TimeZone": "UTC"
>
> I am not quite clear on how broken an installation needs to be to
> reject "UTC" as a time zone setting, except that the breakage cannot
> be subtle.  However, I notice that our code in pgtz.c and other
> places treats "GMT" as a hard-wired special case ... but not "UTC".
> I wonder if we ought to modify those places to force "UTC" down the
> same hard-wired paths.  If we acted like that, this would have worked
> no matter how misconfigured the installation was.

+1. It makes little sense to support GMT like that but not UTC.

> An alternative answer could be to change postgres_fdw to send "GMT"
> not "UTC".  That's ugly from a standards-compliance viewpoint, but
> it would fix this problem even with a non-updated remote server,
> and I think postgres_fdw is generally intended to work with even
> very old remote servers.

There is always a risk in accomodating broken installations that it might hide
other subtle bugs, but off the cuff that risk seems quite low in this case.

--
Daniel Gustafsson




Re: postgres_fdw fails because GMT != UTC

От
Etsuro Fujita
Дата:
On Thu, Apr 4, 2024 at 3:49 PM Laurenz Albe <laurenz.albe@cybertec.at> wrote:
> On Thu, 2024-04-04 at 02:19 -0400, Tom Lane wrote:
> > > ERROR:  invalid value for parameter "TimeZone": "UTC"
> >
> > I am not quite clear on how broken an installation needs to be to
> > reject "UTC" as a time zone setting, except that the breakage cannot
> > be subtle.  However, I notice that our code in pgtz.c and other
> > places treats "GMT" as a hard-wired special case ... but not "UTC".
> > I wonder if we ought to modify those places to force "UTC" down the
> > same hard-wired paths.  If we acted like that, this would have worked
> > no matter how misconfigured the installation was.
> >
> > An alternative answer could be to change postgres_fdw to send "GMT"
> > not "UTC".  That's ugly from a standards-compliance viewpoint, but
> > it would fix this problem even with a non-updated remote server,
> > and I think postgres_fdw is generally intended to work with even
> > very old remote servers.
> >
> > Or we could do both.
>
> I think the first is desirable for reasons of general sanity, and the
> second for best compatibility with old versions.
>
> So I vote for "both".

+1 for both (assuming that the latter does not make the postgres_fdw
code complicated).

Best regards,
Etsuro Fujita



Re: postgres_fdw fails because GMT != UTC

От
Tom Lane
Дата:
Etsuro Fujita <etsuro.fujita@gmail.com> writes:
> On Thu, Apr 4, 2024 at 3:49 PM Laurenz Albe <laurenz.albe@cybertec.at> wrote:
>> On Thu, 2024-04-04 at 02:19 -0400, Tom Lane wrote:
>>> I am not quite clear on how broken an installation needs to be to
>>> reject "UTC" as a time zone setting, except that the breakage cannot
>>> be subtle.  However, I notice that our code in pgtz.c and other
>>> places treats "GMT" as a hard-wired special case ... but not "UTC".
>>> I wonder if we ought to modify those places to force "UTC" down the
>>> same hard-wired paths.  If we acted like that, this would have worked
>>> no matter how misconfigured the installation was.
>>>
>>> An alternative answer could be to change postgres_fdw to send "GMT"
>>> not "UTC".  That's ugly from a standards-compliance viewpoint, but
>>> it would fix this problem even with a non-updated remote server,
>>> and I think postgres_fdw is generally intended to work with even
>>> very old remote servers.
>>>
>>> Or we could do both.

> +1 for both (assuming that the latter does not make the postgres_fdw
> code complicated).

I looked briefly at changing the server like this, and decided that
it would be a little invasive, if only because there would be
documentation and such to update.  Example question: should we change
the boot-time default value of the timezone GUC from "GMT" to "UTC"?
Probably, but I doubt we want to back-patch that, nor does it seem
like something to be messing with post-feature-freeze.  So I'm
in favor of working on that when the tree opens for v18, but not
right now.

However, we can change postgres_fdw at basically no cost AFAICS.
That's the more important part anyway I think.  If your own server
burps because it's got a bad timezone database, you are probably in
a position to do something about that, while you may have no control
over a remote server.  (As indeed the original complainant didn't.)

So I propose to apply and back-patch the attached, and leave
it at that for now.

            regards, tom lane

diff --git a/contrib/postgres_fdw/connection.c b/contrib/postgres_fdw/connection.c
index 603e043af4..33e8054f64 100644
--- a/contrib/postgres_fdw/connection.c
+++ b/contrib/postgres_fdw/connection.c
@@ -671,10 +671,12 @@ configure_remote_session(PGconn *conn)
      * anyway.  However it makes the regression test outputs more predictable.
      *
      * We don't risk setting remote zone equal to ours, since the remote
-     * server might use a different timezone database.  Instead, use UTC
-     * (quoted, because very old servers are picky about case).
+     * server might use a different timezone database.  Instead, use GMT
+     * (quoted, because very old servers are picky about case).  That's
+     * guaranteed to work regardless of the remote's timezone database,
+     * because pg_tzset() hard-wires it (at least in PG 9.2 and later).
      */
-    do_sql_command(conn, "SET timezone = 'UTC'");
+    do_sql_command(conn, "SET timezone = 'GMT'");

     /*
      * Set values needed to ensure unambiguous data output from remote.  (This