Обсуждение: New website announcement
Hi, Please see the proposed new website announcement: http://wwwmaster.postgresql.org As this is the most prominent text on the page, and we can't assume that every visitor to the website is already familiar with PostgreSQL, a description of PostgreSQL has been incorporated into the announcement. Also note that instead of listing the names of everyone who worked on the website, the announcement links to a (yet to be written) news article, "About the new website." It does not seem appropriate or relevant to be listing names on the front page: when 8.0 is released, would you be putting "Thanks to Marc, Bruce, Jan, Tom, Josh, Peter, etc, etc" there? None of the previous release announcements have listed individuals. While it's important to acknowledge everyone's hard work on the website, it would be more appropriate to give full credit to everyone involved in a longer news article, and not fill the front page of the site with a long list of names. On the topic of giving credit to those involved with the website, perhaps a listing of "website contributors" could be added to the developer profiles page, as it seems the most appropriate place on the site. Any thoughts on this? Regarding the elephant image, it was designed to be used for important announcements (you'll notice it's a trumpeting elephant), and seems ideal to herald the release of 8.0. It's fine to use it to announce the new website, and it's been added back in. However, this means that when the release of 8.0 comes around in a couple of weeks, the elephant will have already been used to "announce" the new website, and the same image will have to be reused (i.e. nothing would change on the front page to announce 8.0, apart from the "Out Now!" text). The elephant won't have the same impact that it would've had if it was just used for the 8.0 release, which is IMHO the more important announcement that the community is waiting for. Just something to consider. We *can* have different elephant-themed images for different types of announcements (to keep the site looking fresh for major announcements). However, it's worth noting that the current stock photo cost $100. Therefore, it's probably best if we try to use that image for maximum impact by reserving it for only the most important announcements, such as the 8.0 release. Unless anyone on this list would like to fund a library of elephant stock photography, that is ;) Emily
> -----Original Message----- > From: pgsql-www-owner@postgresql.org > [mailto:pgsql-www-owner@postgresql.org] On Behalf Of Emily Boyd > Sent: 18 December 2004 09:25 > To: pgsql-www@postgresql.org > Subject: [pgsql-www] New website announcement > > Hi, Hello, > Please see the proposed new website announcement: > > http://wwwmaster.postgresql.org > > As this is the most prominent text on the page, and we can't > assume that > every visitor to the website is already familiar with PostgreSQL, a > description of PostgreSQL has been incorporated into the announcement. Agreed. > Also note that instead of listing the names of everyone who worked on > the website, the announcement links to a (yet to be written) news > article, "About the new website." It does not seem appropriate or > relevant to be listing names on the front page: when 8.0 is released, > would you be putting "Thanks to Marc, Bruce, Jan, Tom, Josh, > Peter, etc, > etc" there? None of the previous release announcements have listed > individuals. While it's important to acknowledge everyone's > hard work on > the website, it would be more appropriate to give full credit to > everyone involved in a longer news article, and not fill the > front page > of the site with a long list of names. It was 3 names I included which I wouldn't exactly call a long list (apologies for missing you btw, I didn't realise you were so involved until Omar pointed it out). There is little precedent for that kind of message on the site, but please bear in mind that this is a community project, so many people might be interested to know who did the bulk of the work. Still, I'm easy - it can just as well go in a news article. I still think that the description of PostgreSQL needs to be in a separate box btw. I have little doubt that that announcement area will be used for other announcements in the future, and the description is bound to get lost as people get fed up with trying to work it into their text. > On the topic of giving credit to those involved with the website, > perhaps a listing of "website contributors" could be added to the > developer profiles page, as it seems the most appropriate place on the > site. Any thoughts on this? There is a list of website contributers on the advocacy site atm - I guess it got missed when the content was moved. The developers page seems find to me - perhaps a second box to the right of the long 'other contributers' box? > Regarding the elephant image, it was designed to be used for important > announcements (you'll notice it's a trumpeting elephant), and seems > ideal to herald the release of 8.0. It's fine to use it to > announce the > new website, and it's been added back in. However, this means > that when > the release of 8.0 comes around in a couple of weeks, the > elephant will > have already been used to "announce" the new website, and the > same image > will have to be reused (i.e. nothing would change on the front page to > announce 8.0, apart from the "Out Now!" text). The elephant won't have > the same impact that it would've had if it was just used for the 8.0 > release, which is IMHO the more important announcement that the > community is waiting for. Just something to consider. The elephant is a great image for the page and really sets it off. I think most of us who are not designers won't necessarily pick up on it's significance though. Whatever we do, there should be something there - with nothing the page just looks bland. > We *can* have different elephant-themed images for different types of > announcements (to keep the site looking fresh for major > announcements). Yup :-) (I should really start reading on before replying!) > However, it's worth noting that the current stock photo cost $100. > Therefore, it's probably best if we try to use that image for maximum > impact by reserving it for only the most important announcements, such > as the 8.0 release. Unless anyone on this list would like to fund a > library of elephant stock photography, that is ;) Not at $100 a pop - that buys 1U of rack space for at least a couple of months in .uk! I'm sure we can source some less expensive images though. BTW, did you see the discussion on the user survey? Any thoughts on how it might be incorporated on the front page? Regards, Dave.
Dave, > BTW, did you see the discussion on the user survey? Any thoughts on > how it might be incorporated on the front page? I'm not convinced that the front page is the best place to have a user survey. The community section (where it has been placed) seems like a more appropriate location for a "fun" feature like this. [In Reply To: Ready to launch?] > As for the survey, the only responses I've seen from anyone are along > the lines of 'yes, it does need to be on the front page'. I > personally think that the 'Featured User' box should be used for this > - I can't see us getting a new quote from a user every few weeks > after all... Looking at the front page, I don't see that any items are of less importance than the user survey and could be replaced. I don't agree with the suggestion that the "featured user" box be removed to make way for the survey, as this is an important feature that will help PostgreSQL to get new users. (There are more quotes coming, so it shouldn't be a problem to populate it.) While it's certainly essential that the new website caters to the existing community, the front page is the opportunity to show off PostgreSQL to those who *aren't* already users. Therefore, that featured user box is probably the most important item on the front page. Emily
On Saturday 18 December 2004 05:46, Dave Page wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pgsql-www-owner@postgresql.org
> > [mailto:pgsql-www-owner@postgresql.org] On Behalf Of Emily Boyd
> > Sent: 18 December 2004 09:25
> > To: pgsql-www@postgresql.org
> > Subject: [pgsql-www] New website announcement
>
> > On the topic of giving credit to those involved with the website,
> > perhaps a listing of "website contributors" could be added to the
> > developer profiles page, as it seems the most appropriate place on the
> > site. Any thoughts on this?
>
> There is a list of website contributers on the advocacy site atm - I
> guess it got missed when the content was moved. The developers page
> seems find to me - perhaps a second box to the right of the long 'other
> contributers' box?
>
I'm a little torn here, since I'd like to keep the developers section focused
on supporting people interested in the development of the core project, and
I'm not sure the website development falls under that. I was thinking maybe
a more general "website team" section could be created possibly under
support, where we could list the folks who did work on the main site, but
also people who are helping with others *.postgresql.org websites (Like
Chris/Andrew/Gavin etc...) Any thoughts?
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Robert Treat
Build A Brighter Lamp :: Linux Apache {middleware} PostgreSQL
> -----Original Message----- > From: pgsql-www-owner@postgresql.org > [mailto:pgsql-www-owner@postgresql.org] On Behalf Of Emily Boyd > Sent: 20 December 2004 15:27 > To: pgsql-www@postgresql.org > Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] New website announcement > > Dave, > > > BTW, did you see the discussion on the user survey? Any thoughts on > > how it might be incorporated on the front page? > > I'm not convinced that the front page is the best place to have a user > survey. The community section (where it has been placed) seems like a > more appropriate location for a "fun" feature like this. It's not just a 'fun feature'. It is used for serious research (and I should point out, was put there at the request of a core member). > [In Reply To: Ready to launch?] > > > As for the survey, the only responses I've seen from anyone > are along > > the lines of 'yes, it does need to be on the front page'. I > > personally think that the 'Featured User' box should be > used for this > > - I can't see us getting a new quote from a user every few weeks > > after all... > > Looking at the front page, I don't see that any items are of less > importance than the user survey and could be replaced. I don't agree > with the suggestion that the "featured user" box be removed > to make way > for the survey, as this is an important feature that will help > PostgreSQL to get new users. (There are more quotes coming, so it > shouldn't be a problem to populate it.) While it's certainly essential > that the new website caters to the existing community, the > front page is > the opportunity to show off PostgreSQL to those who *aren't* already > users. Therefore, that featured user box is probably the most > important > item on the front page. I'm far from convinced that it will get us more users - it's unlikely to attract new users to the site, and most techies I know would probably just ignore it anyway and jump straight to docs or other sections to find out if we can support their requirements. The survey on the other hand, can help guide the way we work and the future of the project. That said, it is a nice element on the site, and I would be happy to go with Robert's suggestion of alternating between quote and survey. Regards, Dave.
> -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Treat [mailto:xzilla@users.sourceforge.net] > Sent: 20 December 2004 16:23 > To: Dave Page > Cc: Emily Boyd; pgsql-www@postgresql.org > Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] New website announcement > > I'm a little torn here, since I'd like to keep the developers > section focused > on supporting people interested in the development of the > core project, and > I'm not sure the website development falls under that. I was > thinking maybe > a more general "website team" section could be created possibly under > support, where we could list the folks who did work on the > main site, but > also people who are helping with others *.postgresql.org > websites (Like > Chris/Andrew/Gavin etc...) Any thoughts? Fine with me. Regards Dave