Обсуждение: Status on Jan Wieck
I know people were wondering about Jan, so I just talked to him via e-mail, and he has been busy on a big project. -- Bruce Momjian | http://www.op.net/~candle maillist@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 853-3000+ If your life is a hard drive, | 830 Blythe Avenue + Christ can be your backup. | Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania19026
Bruce Momjian wrote: > > I know people were wondering about Jan, so I just talked to him via > e-mail, and he has been busy on a big project. Is he going to implement RI for 6.6? Vadim
> Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > > I know people were wondering about Jan, so I just talked to him via > > e-mail, and he has been busy on a big project. > > Is he going to implement RI for 6.6? OK, let's CC him with the question. Jan, can you do referential integrity for 6.6? -- Bruce Momjian | http://www.op.net/~candle maillist@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 853-3000+ If your life is a hard drive, | 830 Blythe Avenue + Christ can be your backup. | Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania19026
Bruce Momjian <maillist@candle.pha.pa.us> writes:
> I know people were wondering about Jan, so I just talked to him via
> e-mail, and he has been busy on a big project.
Good ... I was starting to fear he'd been run over by a truck or
something :-(
Does he have any idea when/if he'll return to Postgres hacking?
regards, tom lane
> Bruce Momjian <maillist@candle.pha.pa.us> writes: > > I know people were wondering about Jan, so I just talked to him via > > e-mail, and he has been busy on a big project. > > Good ... I was starting to fear he'd been run over by a truck or > something :-( Yep. He says "don't worry". > Does he have any idea when/if he'll return to Postgres hacking? I didn't have the heart to ask him. I just hit him with the referential integrity question. Let's see what he says. -- Bruce Momjian | http://www.op.net/~candle maillist@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 853-3000+ If your life is a hard drive, | 830 Blythe Avenue + Christ can be your backup. | Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania19026
> Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > > I know people were wondering about Jan, so I just talked to him via > > e-mail, and he has been busy on a big project. > > Is he going to implement RI for 6.6? Jan, you know we miss you when you have your own subject thread on the hackers list. -- Bruce Momjian | http://www.op.net/~candle maillist@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 853-3000+ If your life is a hard drive, | 830 Blythe Avenue + Christ can be your backup. | Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania19026
> Bruce Momjian <maillist@candle.pha.pa.us> writes: > > I know people were wondering about Jan, so I just talked to him via > > e-mail, and he has been busy on a big project. > > Good ... I was starting to fear he'd been run over by a truck or > something :-( > > Does he have any idea when/if he'll return to Postgres hacking? That brings up another issue. Why do people think programmers are throwing themselves in front of trucks? Any idea? I hear it often. -- Bruce Momjian | http://www.op.net/~candle maillist@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 853-3000+ If your life is a hard drive, | 830 Blythe Avenue + Christ can be your backup. | Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania19026
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> Bruce Momjian wrote:
> >
> > I know people were wondering about Jan, so I just talked to him via
> > e-mail, and he has been busy on a big project.
>
> Is he going to implement RI for 6.6?
Depends on WHEN 6.6 is planned to go into feature-freeze.
Jan
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Jan Wieck wrote: > > > > > Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > > > > I know people were wondering about Jan, so I just talked to him via > > > e-mail, and he has been busy on a big project. > > > > Is he going to implement RI for 6.6? > > Depends on WHEN 6.6 is planned to go into feature-freeze. Well, I believe that we have at least 3 months before 1st beta. We need in DIRTY READs for RI and I'll implement them. If you'll not be able to do RI itself then we might change refint.c to use DIRTY READs and so avoid LOCK TABLE on application level (i.e. restore pre-6.5 refint.c using). Vadim
> > > > Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > > > > I know people were wondering about Jan, so I just talked to him via > > > e-mail, and he has been busy on a big project. > > > > Is he going to implement RI for 6.6? > > Depends on WHEN 6.6 is planned to go into feature-freeze. You tell us... We clearly could wait if you have some idea on a timeframe. There has been no talk of a 6.6 release schedule yet. Vadim is still working on logging, and Tom Lane is working too. -- Bruce Momjian | http://www.op.net/~candle maillist@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 853-3000+ If your life is a hard drive, | 830 Blythe Avenue + Christ can be your backup. | Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania19026
> > Depends on WHEN 6.6 is planned to go into feature-freeze. > > Well, I believe that we have at least 3 months before 1st beta. > We need in DIRTY READs for RI and I'll implement them. > If you'll not be able to do RI itself then we might > change refint.c to use DIRTY READs and so avoid LOCK TABLE > on application level (i.e. restore pre-6.5 refint.c using). Yikes. Three months. That puts us at release in mid-January. -- Bruce Momjian | http://www.op.net/~candle maillist@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 853-3000+ If your life is a hard drive, | 830 Blythe Avenue + Christ can be your backup. | Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania19026
On Mon, 20 Sep 1999, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > > > > Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > > > > > > I know people were wondering about Jan, so I just talked to him via > > > > e-mail, and he has been busy on a big project. > > > > > > Is he going to implement RI for 6.6? > > > > Depends on WHEN 6.6 is planned to go into feature-freeze. > > You tell us... We clearly could wait if you have some idea on a > timeframe. There has been no talk of a 6.6 release schedule yet. Vadim > is still working on logging, and Tom Lane is working too. I want to get as much of the JDBC api done for 6.6 as well, so I think there is going to be a lot of new stuff in it. Peter -- Peter T Mount peter@retep.org.uk Main Homepage: http://www.retep.org.uk PostgreSQL JDBC Faq: http://www.retep.org.uk/postgresJava PDF Generator: http://www.retep.org.uk/pdf
On Mon, 20 Sep 1999, Jan Wieck wrote:
> >
> > Bruce Momjian wrote:
> > >
> > > I know people were wondering about Jan, so I just talked to him via
> > > e-mail, and he has been busy on a big project.
> >
> > Is he going to implement RI for 6.6?
>
> Depends on WHEN 6.6 is planned to go into feature-freeze.
After you implement RI? :) Since we've gone the -STABLE branch
fixes/releases route, 6.6 is less of a panic, so if you have some sort of
a timeline for this, its *very* easy to work around it :)
Marc G. Fournier ICQ#7615664 IRC Nick: Scrappy
Systems Administrator @ hub.org
primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org
On Mon, 20 Sep 1999, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> > Bruce Momjian <maillist@candle.pha.pa.us> writes:
> > > I know people were wondering about Jan, so I just talked to him via
> > > e-mail, and he has been busy on a big project.
> >
> > Good ... I was starting to fear he'd been run over by a truck or
> > something :-(
> >
> > Does he have any idea when/if he'll return to Postgres hacking?
>
> That brings up another issue.
>
> Why do people think programmers are throwing themselves in front of
> trucks? Any idea? I hear it often.
Few of us get the window office on a high enough floor to jump? :) Those
are reserved for the accountants and stock brokers :)
Marc G. Fournier ICQ#7615664 IRC Nick: Scrappy
Systems Administrator @ hub.org
primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org
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> Bruce Momjian <maillist@candle.pha.pa.us> writes:
> > I know people were wondering about Jan, so I just talked to him via
> > e-mail, and he has been busy on a big project.
>
> Good ... I was starting to fear he'd been run over by a truck or
> something :-(
>
> Does he have any idea when/if he'll return to Postgres hacking?
As soon as I see the light at the end of the tunnel (and am
sure that it's not the coming train). I think it will take
another two or three weeks.
Jan
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# It's easier to get forgiveness for being wrong than for being right. #
# Let's break this rule - forgive me. #
#========================================= wieck@debis.com (Jan Wieck) #
>
> > Bruce Momjian <maillist@candle.pha.pa.us> writes:
> > > I know people were wondering about Jan, so I just talked to him via
> > > e-mail, and he has been busy on a big project.
> >
> > Good ... I was starting to fear he'd been run over by a truck or
> > something :-(
> >
> > Does he have any idea when/if he'll return to Postgres hacking?
>
> That brings up another issue.
>
> Why do people think programmers are throwing themselves in front of
> trucks? Any idea? I hear it often.
Maybe because it's one of the most failsafe methods?
Additionally the risk for the truck driver isn't as high as
it would be for the driver of an A-Class (besides that an A-
Class driver would treat the whole think like an elk-test -
and we all know what the result of that is :-).
Jan
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# It's easier to get forgiveness for being wrong than for being right. #
# Let's break this rule - forgive me. #
#========================================= wieck@debis.com (Jan Wieck) #
>
> > > Depends on WHEN 6.6 is planned to go into feature-freeze.
> >
> > Well, I believe that we have at least 3 months before 1st beta.
> > We need in DIRTY READs for RI and I'll implement them.
> > If you'll not be able to do RI itself then we might
> > change refint.c to use DIRTY READs and so avoid LOCK TABLE
> > on application level (i.e. restore pre-6.5 refint.c using).
>
> Yikes. Three months. That puts us at release in mid-January.
Three months - sounds fine. I just posted another few ideas
on the issue. After rereading it, I'm sure now that doing RI
with the rulesystem would open a horrible can of worms.
Especially in the case a trigger procedure is using a query
which in turn triggers a deferred rule.
Each trigger invocation (maybe for thousands of rows) will
execute it's own queries, resulting in a separate parsetree
for the deferred actions. Where to hold them? Parsetrees can
be huge!
I'm sure now that remembering the CTID's of the tuples that
must get reread to fire the trigger is the smaller problem.
I need a little break in my current project - thus I'll take
a look at it NOW!
Jan
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#========================================= wieck@debis.com (Jan Wieck) #
On Tue, 21 Sep 1999, Jan Wieck wrote:
> >
> > Bruce Momjian <maillist@candle.pha.pa.us> writes:
> > > I know people were wondering about Jan, so I just talked to him via
> > > e-mail, and he has been busy on a big project.
> >
> > Good ... I was starting to fear he'd been run over by a truck or
> > something :-(
> >
> > Does he have any idea when/if he'll return to Postgres hacking?
>
> As soon as I see the light at the end of the tunnel (and am
> sure that it's not the coming train). I think it will take
> another two or three weeks.
Figure a Jan/Feb release for 6.6...enough time? :)
Marc G. Fournier ICQ#7615664 IRC Nick: Scrappy
Systems Administrator @ hub.org
primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org
Jan Wieck wrote: > > > > Bruce Momjian <maillist@candle.pha.pa.us> writes: > > > I know people were wondering about Jan, so I just talked to him via > > > e-mail, and he has been busy on a big project. > > > > Good ... I was starting to fear he'd been run over by a truck or > > something :-( > > > > Does he have any idea when/if he'll return to Postgres hacking? > > As soon as I see the light at the end of the tunnel (and am > sure that it's not the coming train). I think it will take > another two or three weeks. Didn't you hear Jan? Due to budget constraints, the light at the end of the tunnel has been turned off :-) -- ____ | Billy G. Allie | Domain....: Bill.Allie@mug.org | /| | 7436 Hartwell | Compuserve: 76337,2061 |-/-|----- | Dearborn, MI 48126| MSN.......: B_G_Allie@email.msn.com |/ |LLIE | (313) 582-1540 |