Обсуждение: 3rd Party Advocacy questions
Greetings, My company (Hyperic, LLC of San Francisco) is about to launch a new release of our management platform (Hyperic HQ 1.5). One of the key highlights of this release is management support for 7.x and 8.x versions of PostgreSQL as well as the fact that we are using PG 8.0 (currently beta 2) as our built in database. Our product ships on Linux, Solaris, and Win32 and so far the experience of embedding the database into our product has been incredibly pleasant. (Some background... We started building the product with Postgres back in late '02, but were forced by poor management decisions to choose Pointbase because of its inherent portability... It was a big mistake). In any case, I'd like to see if the folks on this list can advise me a bit on what the proper vehicles for posting announcements of this kind within the PostgreSQL user community, especially given the fact that we're going to include it in our windows version of the product. We're hard at work evangelizing PG to our customers (especially those who evaluated our product and decided to not purchase because Oracle was the only real option they could opt for for production) but I'd like to make sure that we're going about this in a way which helps you all spread the word, especially about 8.0. Any suggestions or comments appreciated. If this question is better suited for a different forum, I apologize for the noise... Pg-advocacy seemed most appropriate to me. Finally, the Hyperic dev team and I would like to thank you all for creating and supporting such a tremendous project. I've been a longtime PostgreSQL user, and am absolutely stoked that we are finally able to ship it as the backend for our product and that it performs so incredibly well. Best regards, Javier Soltero Architect - Hyperic, LLC http://www.hyperic.net
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> In any case, I'd like to see if the folks on this list can advise me
> a bit on what the proper vehicles for posting announcements of this
> kind within the PostgreSQL user community, especially given the fact
> that we're going to include it in our windows version of the
> product. We're hard at work evangelizing PG to our customers
> (especially those who evaluated our product and decided to not
> purchase because Oracle was the only real option they could opt for
> for production) but I'd like to make sure that we're going about
> this in a way which helps you all spread the word, especially about
> 8.0.
If there's a new product, it's probably worth putting a precis about
it together and firing it at the Announcement list.
- Obviously it's preferable for this to explain the point of the
product in, well, "under 1000 words."
There's an ongoing project to build a press release for PostgreSQL
8.0; one constraint is for the whole thing to fit in 1000 words,
despite there being _plenty_ of new things to talk about.
- Announcing each new version release might get pretty old...
It is probably NOT news to say "we released version 10.1.2; you may
want to upgrade." That's news to send to existing customers.
- Keep in mind why it's good for the community to announce "your
stuff."
Press releases are (almost) always good for the company; placing
yourself into the community's shoes and asking yourself "Why would
_they_ value publishing this announcement?" is a vital question
that will go a long ways towards keeping things relevant.
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Javier, > If there's a new product, it's probably worth putting a precis about > it together and firing it at the Announcement list. You're also, by unofficial policy, entitled to one News item on the main page: http://www.postgresql.org/newsform.html Just make sure that the announcement is tailored to be short and relevant to Postgres. Finally, you want to give me a quote about how excited you are about Windows support in 8.0 for your multi-platform product? I could use one for the press release. -- --Josh Josh Berkus Aglio Database Solutions San Francisco
Josh, Thanks for the info. I'll be posting the announcement on the news form sometime this weekend, I think. One of the key highlights of the announcement is the fact that our product manages Postgres, in addition to including it. (Sounds a bit like a 'hairclub for men'-type of thing :)). Aside from that, the fact that we're including 8.0 on all the different platforms we support will hopefully help show people that 8.0 is a good, embeddable database for this kind of scenario. As for a quote, I'm not good at soundbytes, but maybe by explaining what we went through in a few sentences, you can get something that suits. Basically, we have an IT management framework which we developed over the last two years or so. The product is built on top of JBoss and Tomcat and has high transaction volume and concurrency demands since it's meant to support many agents reporting in data and many end users browsing the data through our portal interface. We had originally developed the product on Postgres/Linux, but because the platform was meant to run on Win32 platforms, and Postgres at the time lacked true Windows support, we had to opt for a Java Database solution for anyone not using Oracle. The Java Database solution was a disaster. (I'll spare you the details...) We became tired of making excuses for the lackluster performance for customers using this solution, and decided to face the daunting task of choosing an alternative. We spoke to commercial vendors like Solid, and looked at Firebird and a bunch of others. Luckily, when I went to check on PG's windows story, 8.0beta had just come out. The porting effort was a breeze both because the product had been originally devloped with Postgres, and also because Postgres' SQL engine is great so anything we wrote after switching usually just worked. Our performance tests quickly validated that Postgres on Windows was able to handle the task, and even at a beta level seemed incredibly stable. Having an equivalent experience with 8.0 on Linux and Solaris and being able to embed the product in our various bundles basically sealed the deal. Plus, we were able to use our own product to manage our built in db, which rocks. Hope that's helpful. Please let me know if you want any more information, and thanks again for the info. -javier > -----Original Message----- > From: pgsql-advocacy-owner@postgresql.org > [mailto:pgsql-advocacy-owner@postgresql.org] On Behalf Of Josh Berkus > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 10:35 AM > To: pgsql-advocacy@postgresql.org > Subject: Re: [pgsql-advocacy] 3rd Party Advocacy questions > > Javier, > > > If there's a new product, it's probably worth putting a > precis about > > it together and firing it at the Announcement list. > > You're also, by unofficial policy, entitled to one News item > on the main page: > http://www.postgresql.org/newsform.html > > Just make sure that the announcement is tailored to be short > and relevant to Postgres. > > Finally, you want to give me a quote about how excited you > are about Windows > support in 8.0 for your multi-platform product? I could use > one for the > press release. > > -- > --Josh > > Josh Berkus > Aglio Database Solutions > San Francisco > > ---------------------------(end of > broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 3: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate > subscribe-nomail command to majordomo@postgresql.org so > that your > message can get through to the mailing list cleanly >