Обсуждение: Visual C++ 2005
Now that Visual C++ 2005 Express Edition is free from Microsoft, is there any reason not to upgrade the VC project files to the latest version and drop VC++6 support? Regards, Dave
Quoting Dave Page <dpage@vale-housing.co.uk>: > Now that Visual C++ 2005 Express Edition is free from Microsoft, is > there any reason not to upgrade the VC project files to the latest > version and drop VC++6 support? I haven't looked into anything newer than VC++, so I don't know much about it. What do we gain by upgrading the project files? I'm assuming the newer versions can open the older project files. Also, can Visual Studio 6 and the 2005 Express Editions go exist on a computer? I'm not opposed to an upgrade, I'm just trying to find out what's involved. Ed ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.
> Now that Visual C++ 2005 Express Edition is free from Microsoft, is > there any reason not to upgrade the VC project files to the latest > version and drop VC++6 support? I think VC++6 environment is required until it stops supporting W2K. However, VS2005Express will be great. Therefore, it is desired. It is both existence if time and effort is not regretted. Regards, Hiroshi Saito
> -----Original Message----- > From: pgadmin-hackers-owner@postgresql.org > [mailto:pgadmin-hackers-owner@postgresql.org] On Behalf Of > Edward Di Geronimo Jr. > Sent: 21 April 2006 16:31 > To: pgadmin-hackers@postgresql.org > Subject: Re: [pgadmin-hackers] Visual C++ 2005 > > Quoting Dave Page <dpage@vale-housing.co.uk>: > > > Now that Visual C++ 2005 Express Edition is free from Microsoft, is > > there any reason not to upgrade the VC project files to the latest > > version and drop VC++6 support? > > I haven't looked into anything newer than VC++, so I don't > know much about it. What do we gain by upgrading the project > files? More advanced IDE, newer and theoretically less bugs in the runtimes. > I'm assuming the newer versions can open the older > project files. Yes, but they cannot write them. > Also, can Visual Studio 6 and the 2005 Express > Editions go exist on a computer? I have Visual Studio 6, 2003 and 2005 installed here with no problems. I would assume that Express can coexist as well (though probably not with my 2K5 Team Edition). Regards, Dave
> -----Original Message----- > From: Hirodhi Saito [mailto:z-saito@guitar.ocn.ne.jp] > Sent: 21 April 2006 16:36 > To: Dave Page; pgadmin-hackers@postgresql.org > Subject: Re: [pgadmin-hackers] Visual C++ 2005 > > > Now that Visual C++ 2005 Express Edition is free from Microsoft, is > > there any reason not to upgrade the VC project files to the latest > > version and drop VC++6 support? > > I think VC++6 environment is required until it stops supporting W2K. Why? > However, VS2005Express will be great. Therefore, it is desired. > It is both existence if time and effort is not regretted. There's a typo in your email name BTW: Hirodhi Saito :-) Regards, Dave
> > I think VC++6 environment is required until it stops supporting W2K. > > Why? It has difficulty in offer by the MSVCRT problem. Probably, In the case of supply of a binary. > There's a typo in your email name BTW: Hirodhi Saito Ahhh, even not only environment but my name will be unstable recently.:-) Regards, Hiroshi Saito
Dave Page wrote: > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Hirodhi Saito [mailto:z-saito@guitar.ocn.ne.jp] >>Sent: 21 April 2006 16:36 >>To: Dave Page; pgadmin-hackers@postgresql.org >>Subject: Re: [pgadmin-hackers] Visual C++ 2005 >> >> >>>Now that Visual C++ 2005 Express Edition is free from Microsoft, is >>>there any reason not to upgrade the VC project files to the latest >>>version and drop VC++6 support? >> >>I think VC++6 environment is required until it stops supporting W2K. > > > Why? Apparently, VC2005 links mandatorily/unavoidable to .NET CRT libs which aren't necessarily present on the system, and which should not be delivered with the app (according to MS). If this wouldn't be the problem, we'd have VC2005 projects in svn for some months now... Regards, Andreas
Hirohi Saito wrote: >>>I think VC++6 environment is required until it stops supporting W2K. >> >>Why? > > > It has difficulty in offer by the MSVCRT problem. > Probably, In the case of supply of a binary. > > >>There's a typo in your email name BTW: Hirodhi Saito > > > Ahhh, even not only environment but my name will be unstable recently.:-) We all know that Japan's ground may be shakey frmo time to itme. Apparently, letters can be affected too. Regards, Andreas
> Hirohi Saito wrote: > > Ahhh, even not only environment but my name will be unstable recently.:-) > > We all know that Japan's ground may be shakey frmo time to itme. > Apparently, letters can be affected too. Uga, I have many pen names.:-) Absolute. Hiroshi Saito
> -----Original Message----- > From: Andreas Pflug [mailto:pgadmin@pse-consulting.de] > Sent: 21 April 2006 17:07 > To: Dave Page > Cc: Hiroshi Saito; pgadmin-hackers@postgresql.org > Subject: Re: [pgadmin-hackers] Visual C++ 2005 > > > Why? > > Apparently, VC2005 links mandatorily/unavoidable to .NET CRT > libs which aren't necessarily present on the system, and > which should not be delivered with the app (according to MS). Ah, now that I didn't know. So, you're expected to distribute the entire .NET Framework just to get msvcrt8.dll (or whatever)? Urgh. Regards, Dave
Dave Page wrote: > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Andreas Pflug [mailto:pgadmin@pse-consulting.de] >>Sent: 21 April 2006 17:07 >>To: Dave Page >>Cc: Hiroshi Saito; pgadmin-hackers@postgresql.org >>Subject: Re: [pgadmin-hackers] Visual C++ 2005 >> >> >>>Why? >> >>Apparently, VC2005 links mandatorily/unavoidable to .NET CRT >>libs which aren't necessarily present on the system, and >>which should not be delivered with the app (according to MS). > > > Ah, now that I didn't know. So, you're expected to distribute the entire > .NET Framework just to get msvcrt8.dll (or whatever)? Urgh. Somewhat. Those dlls are expected in Windows\WinSxS\something. I suspect that pgAdmin *would* work if we just shipped that DLL side by side though, but I'm wary. Regards, Andreas
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andreas Pflug [mailto:pgadmin@pse-consulting.de]
> Sent: 21 April 2006 17:37
> To: Dave Page
> Cc: Hiroshi Saito; pgadmin-hackers@postgresql.org
> Subject: Re: [pgadmin-hackers] Visual C++ 2005
>
> > Ah, now that I didn't know. So, you're expected to distribute the
> > entire .NET Framework just to get msvcrt8.dll (or whatever)? Urgh.
>
> Somewhat. Those dlls are expected in
> Windows\WinSxS\something. I suspect that pgAdmin *would* work
> if we just shipped that DLL side by side though, but I'm wary.
I'm not so sure it's a problem - from Visual Studio's redist.txt:
For your convenience, we have provided the following folders for use
when redistributing VC++ runtime files. Subject to the license terms for
the software, you may redistribute the folder (unmodified) in the
application local folder as a sub-folder with no change to the folder
name. You may also redistribute all the files (*.dll and *.manifest)
within a folder, listed below the folder for your convenience, as an
entire set.
<snip ATL stuff>
\VC\redist\x86\Microsoft.VC80.CRT\
msvcm80.dll
msvcp80.dll
msvcr80.dll
Microsoft.VC80.CRT.manifest
\VC\redist\ia64\Microsoft.VC80.CRT\
msvcm80.dll
msvcp80.dll
msvcr80.dll
Microsoft.VC80.CRT.manifest
\VC\redist\amd64\Microsoft.VC80.CRT\
msvcm80.dll
msvcp80.dll
msvcr80.dll
Microsoft.VC80.CRT.manifest
I'll try a test build in a clean Win2K VM and report back....
Regards, Dave.
Dave Page wrote: > > I'm not so sure it's a problem - from Visual Studio's redist.txt: > > For your convenience, we have provided the following folders for use > when redistributing VC++ runtime files. Subject to the license terms for > the software, you may redistribute the folder (unmodified) in the > application local folder as a sub-folder with no change to the folder > name. Sounds like distri bloating, for no benefit. Best would be if this manifest stuff could be omitted totally; we probably could link to the old msvcrt then. Regards, Andreas
> -----Original Message----- > From: Andreas Pflug [mailto:pgadmin@pse-consulting.de] > Sent: 21 April 2006 20:38 > To: Dave Page > Cc: Hiroshi Saito; pgadmin-hackers@postgresql.org > Subject: Re: [pgadmin-hackers] Visual C++ 2005 > > Dave Page wrote: > > > > > I'm not so sure it's a problem - from Visual Studio's redist.txt: > > > > For your convenience, we have provided the following > folders for use > > when redistributing VC++ runtime files. Subject to the > license terms > > for the software, you may redistribute the folder > (unmodified) in the > > application local folder as a sub-folder with no change to > the folder > > name. > Sounds like distri bloating, for no benefit. > > Best would be if this manifest stuff could be omitted > totally; we probably could link to the old msvcrt then. The bloat is only about 1.5Mb which isn't too bad, but having just watched literally thousands of warnings go past when compiling wxWidgets about all sorts of stuff like strdup being deprecated, I really can't be bothered to carry on. Perhaps when wx is cleaned up... Regards, Dave.
Dave Page wrote: > > > The bloat is only about 1.5Mb which isn't too bad, but having just > watched literally thousands of warnings go past when compiling wxWidgets > about all sorts of stuff like strdup being deprecated, I really can't be > bothered to carry on. Perhaps when wx is cleaned up... > According to MS, C++ is deprecated... There's a pragma for that. This warning is simply stupid for us, IMHO no reason for "wx clean up". Regards, Andreas
> > Also, can Visual Studio 6 and the 2005 Express Editions go > exist on a > > computer? > > I have Visual Studio 6, 2003 and 2005 installed here with no > problems. I would assume that Express can coexist as well > (though probably not with my 2K5 Team Edition). I beleive it will coexist fine with the full 2k5 versions. At least it's supposed to, thouhg I have to admit I haven't tried it myself :-) //Magnus
> >>>Now that Visual C++ 2005 Express Edition is free from > Microsoft, is > >>>there any reason not to upgrade the VC project files to the latest > >>>version and drop VC++6 support? > >> > >>I think VC++6 environment is required until it stops > supporting W2K. > > > > > > Why? > > Apparently, VC2005 links mandatorily/unavoidable to .NET CRT > libs which aren't necessarily present on the system, and > which should not be delivered with the app (according to MS). > If this wouldn't be the problem, we'd have VC2005 projects in > svn for some months now... Uh. .Net libs are only pulled in if you set it to do "managed code". It's quite possible they changed the defualt to that, but it's certainly not necessary. New versions of the native runtime libraries are, though. //Magnus
> > Sounds like distri bloating, for no benefit. > > > > Best would be if this manifest stuff could be omitted totally; we > > probably could link to the old msvcrt then. > > The bloat is only about 1.5Mb which isn't too bad, but having Or you can just link statically and then only pull in the parts you need? > just watched literally thousands of warnings go past when > compiling wxWidgets about all sorts of stuff like strdup > being deprecated, I really can't be bothered to carry on. > Perhaps when wx is cleaned up... For that, you need a: #define _CRT_SECURE_NO_DEPRECATE Or as a /D in your build file. Should make them all go away. See for example http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdnmag/issues/05/05/SafeCandC/default.aspx?si de=true and http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/tour/vs2005_guided_tour/VS2005pro/Fram ework/CPlusSafeLibraries.htm. //Magnus
Magnus Hagander wrote: >>>Sounds like distri bloating, for no benefit. >>> >>>Best would be if this manifest stuff could be omitted totally; we >>>probably could link to the old msvcrt then. >> >>The bloat is only about 1.5Mb which isn't too bad, but having > > > Or you can just link statically and then only pull in the parts you > need? Not the worst solution. Regards, Andreas