Re: [GENERAL] Imperative Query Languages

On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 4:26 PM, Christopher Browne <cbbrowne@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 5 July 2017 at 01:22, Jason Dusek <jason.dusek@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> This more of a general interest than specifically Postgres question. Are
>> there any “semi-imperative” query languages that have been tried in the
>> past? I’m imagining a language where something like this:
>>
>> for employee in employees:
>>     for department in department:
>>         if employee.department == department.department and
>>            department.name == "infosec":
>>             yield employee.employee, employee.name, employee.location,
>> employee.favorite_drink
>>
>> would be planned and executed like this:
>>
>> SELECT employee.employee, employee.name, employee.location,
>> employee.favorite_drink
>>   FROM employee JOIN department USING (department)
>>  WHERE department.name == "infosec"
>>
>> The only language I can think of that is vaguely like this is Fortress, in
>> that it attempts to emulate pseudocode and Fortran very closely while being
>> fundamentally a dataflow language.
>
> It's probably of broader interest to consider some sort of "more relational"
> language that would, in effect, be "more declarative" as opposed to
> "more imperative" than SQL.  (I'd not be keen on heading back to
> CODASYL!!!)
>
> The notable example of such would be the "Tutorial D" language
> attributable to Darwen and Date's "Third Manifesto"
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D_(data_language_specification)
> http://wiki.c2.com/?TutorialDee
>
> Unfortunately, the attempts to construct implementations of D
> have all pretty much remained at the "toy" point, experiments
> that few beyond the implementors seem to treat as realistic
> SQL successors.
>
> Another option, in principle, would be to consider QUEL, which
> was what Stonebraker used initially as the query languages for
> Ingres and Postgres.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QUEL_query_languages
>
> None of these options seem to be dominantly better than SQL,
> and for something to supplant SQL, it would need to be a
> fair bit better.

I'd like to see a SQL variant (maybe preprocessed) with an algebraic
syntax.  My biggest gripes with SQL are all the keywords (there are
other spoken languages than English??) and the unnecessarily irregular
syntax.

merlin