Re: PATCH: Exclude unlogged tables from base backups

Hi Andres,

On 12/12/17 5:52 PM, Andres Freund wrote:
> On 2017-12-12 17:49:54 -0500, David Steele wrote:
>> Including unlogged relations in base backups takes up space and is wasteful
>> since they are truncated during backup recovery.
>>
>> The attached patches exclude unlogged relations from base backups except for
>> the init fork, which is required to recreate the main fork during recovery.
> 
> How do you reliably identify unlogged relations while writes are going
> on? Without locks that sounds, uh, nontrivial?

I don't think this is an issue.  If the init fork exists it should be OK 
if it is torn since it will be recreated from WAL.

If the forks are written out of order (i.e. main before init), which is 
definitely possible, then I think worst case is some files will be 
backed up that don't need to be.  The main fork is unlikely to be very 
large at that point so it doesn't seem like a big deal.

I don't see this as any different than what happens during recovery. 
The unlogged forks are cleaned / re-inited before replay starts which is 
the same thing we are doing here.

>> I decided not to try and document unlogged exclusions in the continuous
>> backup documentation yet (they are noted in the protocol docs).  I would
>> like to get some input on whether the community thinks this is a good idea.
>> It's a non-trivial procedure that would be easy to misunderstand and does
>> not affect the quality of the backup other than using less space. Thoughts?
> 
> Think it's a good idea, I've serious concerns about practicability of a
> correct implementation though.

Well, I would be happy if you had a look!

Thanks.
-- 
-David
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