Re: storing an explicit nonce

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От Bruce Momjian
Тема Re: storing an explicit nonce
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Msg-id 20210525210456.GI3048@momjian.us
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Ответ на Re: storing an explicit nonce  (Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>)
Ответы Re: storing an explicit nonce  (Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>)
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On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 04:29:08PM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote:
> Greetings,
> 
> On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 14:56 Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote:
> 
>     On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 02:25:21PM -0400, Robert Haas wrote:
>     > One question here is whether we're comfortable saying that the nonce
>     > is entirely constant. I wasn't sure about that. It seems possible to
>     > me that different encryption algorithms might want nonces of different
>     > sizes, either now or in the future. I am not a cryptographer, but that
>     > seemed like a bit of a limiting assumption. So Bharath and I decided
>     > to make the POC cater to a fully variable-size nonce rather than
>     > zero-or-some-constant. However, if the consensus is that
>     > zero-or-some-constant is better, fair enough! The patch can certainly
>     > be adjusted to cater to work that way.
> 
>     A 16-byte nonce is sufficient for AES and I doubt we will need anything
>     stronger than AES256 anytime soon.  Making the nonce variable length
>     seems it is just adding complexity for little purpose.
> 
> 
> I’d like to review this more and make sure using the special space is possible
> but if it is then it opens up a huge new possibility that we could use it for
> both the nonce AND an appropriately sized tag, giving us integrity along with
> encryption which would be a very significant additional feature.  I’d
> considered using a fork instead but having it on the page would be far better.

We already discussed that there are too many other ways to break system
integrity that are not encrypted/integrity-checked, e.g., changes to
clog.  Do you disagree?

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