Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents?
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Bruce Momjian
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Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents?
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How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending) patents? "Tsunakawa, Takayuki" <tsunakawa.takay@jp.fujitsu.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? jonasmehler46 <jonasmehler46@gmail.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending) patents? Craig Ringer <craig@2ndquadrant.com>
RE: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? "Tsunakawa, Takayuki" <tsunakawa.takay@jp.fujitsu.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? David Fetter <david@fetter.org>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? David Fetter <david@fetter.org>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? David Fetter <david@fetter.org>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? David Fetter <david@fetter.org>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
RE: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? "Tsunakawa, Takayuki" <tsunakawa.takay@jp.fujitsu.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? David Fetter <david@fetter.org>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Markus Wanner <markus.wanner@2ndquadrant.com>
RE: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? "Tsunakawa, Takayuki" <tsunakawa.takay@jp.fujitsu.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending) patents? Dave Page <dpage@pgadmin.org>
RE: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? "Tsunakawa, Takayuki" <tsunakawa.takay@jp.fujitsu.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending) patents? Dave Page <dpage@pgadmin.org>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending) patents? Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? "Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending) patents? Dave Page <dpage@pgadmin.org>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Chapman Flack <chap@anastigmatix.net>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Tomas Vondra <tomas.vondra@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending) patents? Dave Page <dpage@pgadmin.org>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending) patents? Isaac Morland <isaac.morland@gmail.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Chapman Flack <chap@anastigmatix.net>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending) patents? Benjamin Scherrey <scherrey@proteus-tech.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Chapman Flack <chap@anastigmatix.net>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending) patents? Oleksandr Shulgin <oleksandr.shulgin@zalando.de>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending) patents? Chris Travers <chris.travers@adjust.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending) patents? Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending) patents? Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending) patents? Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending) patents? Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending) patents? Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending) patents? Chris Travers <chris.travers@adjust.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Chapman Flack <chap@anastigmatix.net>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Chapman Flack <chap@anastigmatix.net>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? David Fetter <david@fetter.org>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? David Fetter <david@fetter.org>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Markus Wanner <markus.wanner@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending) patents? Chris Travers <chris.travers@adjust.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
RE: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? "Tsunakawa, Takayuki" <tsunakawa.takay@jp.fujitsu.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
RE: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? "Tsunakawa, Takayuki" <tsunakawa.takay@jp.fujitsu.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
RE: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? "Tsunakawa, Takayuki" <tsunakawa.takay@jp.fujitsu.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending) patents? Craig Ringer <craig@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
RE: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? "Tsunakawa, Takayuki" <tsunakawa.takay@jp.fujitsu.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? David Fetter <david@fetter.org>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending) patents? Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending) patents? Pavel Stehule <pavel.stehule@gmail.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending) patents? Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
RE: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? "Tsunakawa, Takayuki" <tsunakawa.takay@jp.fujitsu.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
RE: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? "Tsunakawa, Takayuki" <tsunakawa.takay@jp.fujitsu.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Chapman Flack <chap@anastigmatix.net>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Chapman Flack <chap@anastigmatix.net>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending) patents? Dave Cramer <pg@fastcrypt.com>
RE: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? "Tsunakawa, Takayuki" <tsunakawa.takay@jp.fujitsu.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending) patents? Craig Ringer <craig@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending) patents? Chris Travers <chris.travers@adjust.com>
RE: How can we submit code patches that implement our (pending)patents? "Tsunakawa, Takayuki" <tsunakawa.takay@jp.fujitsu.com>
On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 08:19:35AM -0700, Andres Freund wrote: > I'm fairly sure that I'm right. But my point isn't that we should "trust > Andres implicitly ™" (although that's obviously not a bad starting point > ;)). But rather, given that that is a reasonable assumption that such > agreements are legally possible, we can decide whether we want to take > advantage of such terms *assuming they are legally sound*. Then, if, and > only if, we decide that that's interesting from a policy POV, we can > verify those assumptions with lawyers. > > Given we're far from the first project dealing with this, and that > companies that have shown themselves to be reasonably trustworthy around > open source, like Red Hat, assuming that such agreements are sound seems > quite reasonable. Sun Microsystems seemed reasonably trustworthy too. > I find it fairly hubristic to just assume bad faith, or lack of skill, > on part of the drafters of Apache2, GLPv3, RH patent promise, ... that > they either didn't think about bankruptcy or didn't care about > it. They're certainly better lawyers than any of us here. True. It would be nice if we could get an answer about bankruptcy from Red Hat. -- Bruce Momjian http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com + As you are, so once was I. As I am, so you will be. + + Ancient Roman grave inscription +
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