Re: s_lock() seems too aggressive for machines with many sockets

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Andres Freund
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Re: s_lock() seems too aggressive for machines with many sockets
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20150610145606.GB10551@awork2.anarazel.de
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s_lock() seems too aggressive for machines with many sockets Jan Wieck <jan@wi3ck.info>
Re: s_lock() seems too aggressive for machines with many sockets Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: s_lock() seems too aggressive for machines with many sockets Jan Wieck <jan@wi3ck.info>
Re: s_lock() seems too aggressive for machines with many sockets Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: s_lock() seems too aggressive for machines with many sockets Nils Goroll <slink@schokola.de>
Re: s_lock() seems too aggressive for machines with many sockets Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: s_lock() seems too aggressive for machines with many sockets Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: s_lock() seems too aggressive for machines with many sockets Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: s_lock() seems too aggressive for machines with many sockets Nils Goroll <slink@schokola.de>
Re: s_lock() seems too aggressive for machines with many sockets Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: s_lock() seems too aggressive for machines with many sockets Nils Goroll <slink@schokola.de>
Re: s_lock() seems too aggressive for machines with many sockets Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: s_lock() seems too aggressive for machines with many sockets Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: s_lock() seems too aggressive for machines with many sockets Jan Wieck <jan@wi3ck.info>
Re: s_lock() seems too aggressive for machines with many sockets Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: s_lock() seems too aggressive for machines with many sockets Jan Wieck <jan@wi3ck.info>
Re: s_lock() seems too aggressive for machines with many sockets Nils Goroll <slink@schokola.de>
Re: s_lock() seems too aggressive for machines with many sockets Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: s_lock() seems too aggressive for machines with many sockets Nils Goroll <slink@schokola.de>
Re: s_lock() seems too aggressive for machines with many sockets Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: s_lock() seems too aggressive for machines with many sockets Nils Goroll <slink@schokola.de>
Re: s_lock() seems too aggressive for machines with many sockets Jan Wieck <jan@wi3ck.info>
Re: s_lock() seems too aggressive for machines with many sockets Nils Goroll <slink@schokola.de>
Re: s_lock() seems too aggressive for machines with many sockets Jan Wieck <jan@wi3ck.info>
Re: s_lock() seems too aggressive for machines with many sockets Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: s_lock() seems too aggressive for machines with many sockets Jan Wieck <jan@wi3ck.info>
Re: s_lock() seems too aggressive for machines with many sockets Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: s_lock() seems too aggressive for machines with many sockets Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: s_lock() seems too aggressive for machines with many sockets Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: s_lock() seems too aggressive for machines with many sockets Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: s_lock() seems too aggressive for machines with many sockets Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: s_lock() seems too aggressive for machines with many sockets Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: s_lock() seems too aggressive for machines with many sockets Nils Goroll <slink@schokola.de>
Re: s_lock() seems too aggressive for machines with many sockets Jan Wieck <jan@wi3ck.info>
Re: s_lock() seems too aggressive for machines with many sockets Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
On 2015-06-10 10:25:32 -0400, Tom Lane wrote:
> Andres Freund  writes:
> > Unfortunately there's no portable futex support. That's what stopped us
> > from adopting them so far.  And even futexes can be significantly more
> > heavyweight under moderate contention than our spinlocks - It's rather
> > easy to reproduce scenarios where futexes cause significant slowdown in
> > comparison to spinning in userspace (just reproduce contention on a
> > spinlock where the protected area will be *very* short - i.e. no cache
> > misses, no branches or such).
> 
> Which, you'll note, is the ONLY case that's allowed by our coding rules
> for spinlock use.  If there are any locking sections that are not very
> short straight-line code, or at least code with easily predicted branches,
> we need to fix those before we worry about the spinlock mechanism per
> se.

We haven't followed that all that strictly imo. While lwlocks are a bit
less problematic in 9.5 (as they take far fewer spinlocks), they're
still far from perfect as we manipulate linked lists while holding a
lock.  We malso do lots of hard to predict stuff while the buffer header
spinlock is held...

> Optimizing for misuse of the mechanism is not the way.

Agreed. I'm not particularly interested in optimizing spinlocks. We
should get rid of most.

Greetings,

Andres Freund


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