un-triviality is saved
От | Dmitry Turin |
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Тема | un-triviality is saved |
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Msg-id | 17323140312.20070412142320@narod.ru обсуждение исходный текст |
Список | pgsql-sql |
>What does this do that inheritance doesn't already do? I don't think I see anything. - So, we have proved, that all, what you offer to make on your a-a-a... Fortran, is possible to make on assembler. - First, I know this without you, second, speech was not about that. Newness is not "what", newness is "how" ! As to processing data, new way allow to think in natural terms of tree, instead in artificial terms of Decart's production and PL-extension for SQL. As to communication, new way allow to extract XML from database directly, without any gasket (php, etc) - that is VERY important to untrained, inexperienced user. Direct way open gates (doors) for applied specialists ! >> We speak about database, thus what user wants to do is >> predetermined partly - there are at least two things: database and >> visualizer (browser is only one case). >This sounds to me entirely like a user-interface problem. Situation is system. And as any item, it has system's characteristics. What's about difficulty: difficulty-of-request + difficulty-of-transportation = invariant. If you make request without transport's possibility,then you must to enter one more language!It's very, very bad for un-experienceduser. And the main: un-triviality (un-banality) is saved !!! you are forced to get this un-triviality in other language. But in addition to un-triviality, you have place of dockbetween SQL and other language. Representation of data as tree (instead of as matrix) is not aim itself, it's sideline-result. --- >We don't need to make SQL more complicated (and less relational) There are two question: "more complicated" and "less relational". First: SQL doesn't loss and doesn't gain any functional characteristics. SQL does not become more complicated. Second: SQL doesn't loss and doesn't gain any relational characteristics, they are saved. SQL does not become less relational. >point of SQL was to move away from the hierarchical model "Was", pay attention. It doesn't mean, that it should be always. Let's distinguis between two characteristics: harmness and orthodoxality. Orthodoxality is not argument, i think. AS> inexperienced user are willing to learn What about user want to learn, user think: what is the least, so is the best. Minimum quantity of tools is the best. This is fact instead of opinion.
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