Re: ModifyTable overheads in generic plans

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Tom Lane
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Re: ModifyTable overheads in generic plans
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ModifyTable overheads in generic plans Amit Langote <amitlangote09@gmail.com>
Re: ModifyTable overheads in generic plans Amit Langote <amitlangote09@gmail.com>
Re: ModifyTable overheads in generic plans Amit Langote <amitlangote09@gmail.com>
Re: ModifyTable overheads in generic plans Daniel Gustafsson <daniel@yesql.se>
Re: ModifyTable overheads in generic plans Amit Langote <amitlangote09@gmail.com>
Re: ModifyTable overheads in generic plans Daniel Gustafsson <daniel@yesql.se>
Re: ModifyTable overheads in generic plans Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: ModifyTable overheads in generic plans Amit Langote <amitlangote09@gmail.com>
Re: ModifyTable overheads in generic plans Amit Langote <amitlangote09@gmail.com>
Re: ModifyTable overheads in generic plans Amit Langote <amitlangote09@gmail.com>
Re: ModifyTable overheads in generic plans Amit Langote <amitlangote09@gmail.com>
Re: ModifyTable overheads in generic plans Heikki Linnakangas <hlinnaka@iki.fi>
Re: ModifyTable overheads in generic plans Amit Langote <amitlangote09@gmail.com>
Re: ModifyTable overheads in generic plans Amit Langote <amitlangote09@gmail.com>
Re: ModifyTable overheads in generic plans Heikki Linnakangas <hlinnaka@iki.fi>
Re: ModifyTable overheads in generic plans Amit Langote <amitlangote09@gmail.com>
Re: ModifyTable overheads in generic plans Amit Langote <amitlangote09@gmail.com>
Re: ModifyTable overheads in generic plans Heikki Linnakangas <hlinnaka@iki.fi>
Re: ModifyTable overheads in generic plans Heikki Linnakangas <hlinnaka@iki.fi>
Re: ModifyTable overheads in generic plans Amit Langote <amitlangote09@gmail.com>
Re: ModifyTable overheads in generic plans Heikki Linnakangas <hlinnaka@iki.fi>
Re: ModifyTable overheads in generic plans Amit Langote <amitlangote09@gmail.com>
Re: ModifyTable overheads in generic plans Amit Langote <amitlangote09@gmail.com>
Re: ModifyTable overheads in generic plans Amit Langote <amitlangote09@gmail.com>
Re: ModifyTable overheads in generic plans Amit Langote <amitlangote09@gmail.com>
Re: ModifyTable overheads in generic plans Amit Langote <amitlangote09@gmail.com>
Re: ModifyTable overheads in generic plans Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: ModifyTable overheads in generic plans Amit Langote <amitlangote09@gmail.com>
Re: ModifyTable overheads in generic plans Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: ModifyTable overheads in generic plans Amit Langote <amitlangote09@gmail.com>
Re: ModifyTable overheads in generic plans Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: ModifyTable overheads in generic plans Amit Langote <amitlangote09@gmail.com>
Re: ModifyTable overheads in generic plans Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: ModifyTable overheads in generic plans Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: ModifyTable overheads in generic plans Amit Langote <amitlangote09@gmail.com>
Re: ModifyTable overheads in generic plans Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: ModifyTable overheads in generic plans Amit Langote <amitlangote09@gmail.com>
Re: ModifyTable overheads in generic plans Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Re: ModifyTable overheads in generic plans Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: ModifyTable overheads in generic plans Amit Langote <amitlangote09@gmail.com>
Re: ModifyTable overheads in generic plans David Rowley <dgrowleyml@gmail.com>
Re: ModifyTable overheads in generic plans Amit Langote <amitlangote09@gmail.com>
Re: ModifyTable overheads in generic plans Amit Langote <amitlangote09@gmail.com>
Re: ModifyTable overheads in generic plans Amit Langote <amitlangote09@gmail.com>
Re: ModifyTable overheads in generic plans Amit Langote <amitlangote09@gmail.com>
Re: ModifyTable overheads in generic plans David Rowley <dgrowleyml@gmail.com>
Re: ModifyTable overheads in generic plans Amit Langote <amitlangote09@gmail.com>
Amit Langote  writes:
> On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 3:12 AM Tom Lane  wrote:
>> Amit Langote  writes:
> [ v14-0002-Initialize-result-relation-information-lazily.patch ]
>> Needs YA rebase over 86dc90056.

> Done.

I spent some time looking this over.  There are bits of it we can
adopt without too much trouble, but I'm afraid that 0001 (delay
FDW BeginDirectModify until the first actual update) is a nonstarter,
which makes the main idea of delaying ExecInitResultRelation unworkable.

My fear about 0001 is that it will destroy any hope of direct updates
on different remote partitions executing with consistent semantics
(i.e. compatible snapshots), because some row updates triggered by the
local query may have already happened before a given partition gets to
start its remote query.  Maybe we can work around that, but I do not
want to commit a major restructuring that assumes we can dodge this
problem when we don't yet even have a fix for cross-partition updates
that does rely on the assumption of synchronous startup.

In some desultory performance testing here, it seemed like a
significant part of the cost is ExecOpenIndices, and I don't see
a reason offhand why we could not delay/skip that.  I also concur
with delaying construction of ri_ChildToRootMap and the
partition_tuple_routing data structures, since many queries will
never need those at all.

> * PartitionTupleRouting.subplan_resultrel_htab is removed in favor
> of using ModifyTableState.mt_resultOidHash to look up an UPDATE
> result relation by OID.

Hmm, that sounds promising too, though I didn't look at the details.

Anyway, I think the way to proceed for now is to grab the low-hanging
fruit of things that clearly won't change any semantics.  But tail end
of the dev cycle is no time to be making really fundamental changes
in how FDW direct modify works.

			regards, tom lane


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