Re: pgbench - add pseudo-random permutation function

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Fabien COELHO
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Re: pgbench - add pseudo-random permutation function
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alpine.DEB.2.22.394.2104011103460.702551@pseudo
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pgbench - add pseudo-random permutation function Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: pgbench - add pseudo-random permutation function Hironobu SUZUKI <hironobu@interdb.jp>
Re: pgbench - add pseudo-random permutation function Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: pgbench - add pseudo-random permutation function Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: pgbench - add pseudo-random permutation function Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: pgbench - add pseudo-random permutation function Hironobu SUZUKI <hironobu@interdb.jp>
Re: pgbench - add pseudo-random permutation function Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: pgbench - add pseudo-random permutation function Thomas Munro <thomas.munro@enterprisedb.com>
Re: pgbench - add pseudo-random permutation function Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: pgbench - add pseudo-random permutation function Thomas Munro <thomas.munro@enterprisedb.com>
Re: pgbench - add pseudo-random permutation function Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: pgbench - add pseudo-random permutation function Michael Paquier <michael@paquier.xyz>
Re: pgbench - add pseudo-random permutation function Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: pgbench - add pseudo-random permutation function Hironobu SUZUKI <hironobu@interdb.jp>
Re: pgbench - add pseudo-random permutation function Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: pgbench - add pseudo-random permutation function Hironobu SUZUKI <hironobu@interdb.jp>
Re: pgbench - add pseudo-random permutation function Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: pgbench - add pseudo-random permutation function Hironobu SUZUKI <hironobu@interdb.jp>
Re: pgbench - add pseudo-random permutation function Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: pgbench - add pseudo-random permutation function Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: pgbench - add pseudo-random permutation function Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: pgbench - add pseudo-random permutation function Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: pgbench - add pseudo-random permutation function Michael Paquier <michael@paquier.xyz>
Re: pgbench - add pseudo-random permutation function Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: pgbench - add pseudo-random permutation function Michael Paquier <michael@paquier.xyz>
Re: pgbench - add pseudo-random permutation function Hironobu SUZUKI <hironobu@interdb.jp>
Re: pgbench - add pseudo-random permutation function Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Re: pgbench - add pseudo-random permutation function Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: pgbench - add pseudo-random permutation function Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: Re: pgbench - add pseudo-random permutation function David Steele <david@pgmasters.net>
Re: pgbench - add pseudo-random permutation function Hironobu SUZUKI <hironobu@interdb.jp>
Re: pgbench - add pseudo-random permutation function Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: pgbench - add pseudo-random permutation function Thomas Munro <thomas.munro@gmail.com>
Re: pgbench - add pseudo-random permutation function Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: pgbench - add pseudo-random permutation function Tomas Vondra <tomas.vondra@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: pgbench - add pseudo-random permutation function Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: pgbench - add pseudo-random permutation function Peter Eisentraut <peter.eisentraut@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: pgbench - add pseudo-random permutation function Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: pgbench - add pseudo-random permutation function Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: pgbench - add pseudo-random permutation function David Steele <david@pgmasters.net>
Re: pgbench - add pseudo-random permutation function Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: pgbench - add pseudo-random permutation function Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: pgbench - add pseudo-random permutation function David Steele <david@pgmasters.net>
Re: pgbench - add pseudo-random permutation function Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: pgbench - add pseudo-random permutation function Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: pgbench - add pseudo-random permutation function Muhammad Usama <m.usama@gmail.com>
Re: pgbench - add pseudo-random permutation function Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>
Re: pgbench - add pseudo-random permutation function Fabien COELHO <coelho@cri.ensmp.fr>

>>   r = (uint64) (pg_erand48(random_state.xseed) * size);
>>
>> I do not understand why the random values are multiplied by anything in
>> the first place…
>
> These are just random integers in the range [0,mask] and [0,size-1],
> formed in exactly the same way as getrand().

Indeed, erand returns a double, this was the part I was missing. I did not 
realize that you had switched to doubles in your approach.

I think that permute should only use integer operations. I'd suggest to 
use one of the integer variants instead of going through a double 
computation and casting back to int. The internal state is based on 
integers, I do not see the added value of going through floats, possibly 
enduring floating point issues (undeflow, rounding, normalization, 
whatever) on the way, whereas from start to finish we just need ints.

See attached v27 proposal.

I still think that *rand48 is a poor (relatively small state) and 
inefficient (the implementation includes packing and unpacking 16 bits 
ints to build a 64 bits int) choice.

-- 
Fabien.
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