Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles
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Bruce Momjian
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Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles
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20200203204244.GA15678@momjian.us
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Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles (R Ransbottom)
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Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles Laurenz Albe <laurenz.albe@cybertec.at>
Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles R Ransbottom <rirans@comcast.net>
Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles Ian Barwick <ian.barwick@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles Simon Riggs <simon@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles Laurenz Albe <laurenz.albe@cybertec.at>
Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles R Ransbottom <rirans@comcast.net>
Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles "Jonathan S. Katz" <jkatz@postgresql.org>
Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net>
Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles "Jonathan S. Katz" <jkatz@postgresql.org>
Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles "Jonathan S. Katz" <jkatz@postgresql.org>
Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles "Jonathan S. Katz" <jkatz@postgresql.org>
Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles "Jonathan S. Katz" <jkatz@postgresql.org>
Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net>
Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net>
Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles "Jonathan S. Katz" <jkatz@postgresql.org>
Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles "Jonathan S. Katz" <jkatz@postgresql.org>
Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles "Jonathan S. Katz" <jkatz@postgresql.org>
Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles Peter Eisentraut <peter.eisentraut@2ndquadrant.com>
Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 07:12:08PM -0500, R Ransbottom wrote: > On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 12:23:48PM +0900, Ian Barwick wrote: > > On 2020/01/19 12:56, R Ransbottom wrote: > > > > I would hope to find correct documentation somewhere--that somewhere > > > Indeed, however it's important that the PostgreSQL documentation remains > > stable for released versions. > > > As-is, the current patch set would result in the term "default role(s)" > > disappearing from the documentation in the next minor release, which is > > bound to cause confusion for anyone searching the documentation for the > > term they're familiar with (unless they happen to be reading this thread > > or following the git commit log). Cue cries of "OMG Postgres removed a > > feature in a minor release!!!?!!". > > > And as Stephen mentions, it will break a lot of secondary documentation - > > not just blogs but things like internal training materials etc. > > > If this change is made (which I'm personally not against), then it should be > > only from PostgreSQL 13. For 9.6 ~ 12, IMHO it would be better to tweak the > > existing documentation to somehow mention that "default roles" should be > > thought of as "prefined roles", and note they will be called this from Pg13. > > Ian, agreed modulo 13. > > The current section(s) could forward readers to a revised section. The > DEFAULT_ROLE_* stuff could carry two names to allow a comprehensive fix > in 12.X. That could allow the deprecation and misinformation to end one > EoL sooner. With minor releases coming next week, and no movement on doing web redirects, and no clarity on what this is missing even in master, I will revert this patch in all branches soon. I think everyone agrees the new documentation title is better, but we don't want to break things or add inconsistency to do it. -- Bruce Momjian http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com + As you are, so once was I. As I am, so you will be. + + Ancient Roman grave inscription +
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